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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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I currently subscribe to four basic plans: Google's, Anthropic's, OpenAI's and Kimi's. Was thinking about cancelling Kimi, but that makes me rethink my decision.

It's a shame, because while Kimi 2.6 is indeed quite capable, its thinking mode is quite wasteful, and Opus is a joy to work with.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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I was just using claude to edit a blog post There's your problem.

Why not? I do the same, I tell it the exact content, but I don’t have to do all the rest. My blog is a react based (because I like interactivity) and has no asset pipeline, so it’s not as user friendly to edit the content as e.g. a markdown file.

What do you need React for in a blog?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Come on, folks. This is not a conspiracy. LLMs have a knowledge cutoff date. Opus 4.7's documented cutoff date is in January. Older Claude models are earlier than that. OpenClaw didn't have the name OpenClaw until January 30th. So indeed, even the latest Claude model does not know what OpenClaw is, unless you have it do a web search. If you have it search, it'll happily tell you all about it.

Knowledge cutoff is completely insufficient as an explanation. These models have access to a web search tool. Gemini and ChatGPT both happily search for give info on OpenClaw. Claude denies all knowledge. What’s more it’s this part that’s very concerning.. Banned for wrong think.. > I gave it a direct link to openclaw.ai and the chat instantly ended and hit my 5hr usage limit.

Claude is notorious in my experience to lie directly to your face (even if its baffling) instead of using the web tool. I'll never prompt it without saying 'use web tool' Its ridiculous.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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> The point I'm making is that I don't think Anthropic or OpenAI would have ever gotten significant traction if they didn't have flat-rate plans... That seems likely. If people had to pay their share of the actual all-in cost of the service (rather than having it be subsidized by investors with extremely deep pockets and a small handful of corporate customers), very, very few regular people would use it. The point th…

The crux of my argument is that there is a timeline where people would've paid the all-in cost of the service, with margin, as a flat-rate sub. The $20 rate was not sustainable when factoring in training costs but if not for DeepSeek they could have simply raised the prices rather than gestures broadly whatever the fuck is going on at Anthropic now, with a new PR fumble every three days. If the Chinese models didn't…

> You misdirected my quoted statement to assert a position I did not take.

Nope. You're reading way too much into what I'm saying, rather than reading the words I'm writing.

> When I say that flat-rate subs are necessary for traction, I mean that solely from a user experience perspective, not "subsidized usage is necessary for traction".

Sure. I never claimed that you said "subsidized usage is necessary for traction". It's "just" that your broader point is not relevant to the topic under discussion, which is Anthropic's financial situation. That's why I said

  If the flat-rate plans that you are aware of actually cover the cost of providing the service, then you're discussing an entirely different situation that's entirely inapplicable to the discussion about Anthropic's pricing and degrading level of service.
That situation doesn't describe what's going on with Anthropic and OpenAI, so subsidized usage absolutely is necessary for "traction" for them. Roughly no regular folks would pay the all-in cost for the service they provide.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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They don't want customers that make them bleed more money than they're supposed to.

Then just... charge everyone in same way ? The problem is entirely caused by their ass-backwards billing methods

But the have an ass-backwards billing method to appeal to the masses in the first place. It's like price dumping as long as they can do it with the investors' money that they somehow swindled. Their competitors do the same thing, so it is either go along with it, or be left behind in the dust. A contest of endurance in financial swindling.

I for one hope it all comes crashing down, when reality hits these companies. I like being able to ask some LLM a question, when I don't know something. I also like asking it for examples. But I don't let it write my code and burn tokens to no end until it passes some tests or something. My usage is at human speed, and I feel like that is sufficient for the technology to be helpful. For the rest I will use my biological wet ware, thank you.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Reminds me of https://www.macchaffee.com/blog/2024/you-have-built-a-kubern...

And Kubernetes kinda built a BEAM... kinda :) Like, if everyone would just use BEAM then it's true (lol).

Would you like to explain the similarity you see between them? Apart from both of them being designed for resiliency, I don't see any.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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You don't even need to put it in a project, put it in all your blog posts as invisible (white font white background) text, and if Claude winds up reading your website as part of a research task, you basically bricked someone's Claude session. Why is it amateur hour at Anthropic lately?

Because AI is a new product category in tech, and every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, and so the dumb shit is repeated until they learn their own lessons. I am almost 40, and I have seen the same pattern play out several times now, it’s always the same.

> every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history,

I've worked in a bunch of industries and places over the years, and this is not just a tech thing. Like, there's a reason that saving a day in the library with a week in the lab is a pretty famous saying.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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I understand not everyone has the interest or time to sit through an hour long podcast. But last I checked this is HN, and I think that podcast is right up the alley for many of us here. Cal Newport is not exactly a 'random podcaster'. Next time I can summarize some of the talking points in my comment though, but I didn't want to poorly regurgitate the arguments when they were readily available in the video lol. Alth…

What I want is for people to give evidence that can be checked within a few minutes at most. But claiming you have proof and expecting me to a) just believe you or b) invest an hour of my time to dispute or agree with you... That's just a selfish way of having a conversation. If you gave me some timestamps in that hour, that would be fine. Or if you gave a much shorter and easier to consume piece of evidence and then…

sometimes people aren't looking for an argument, theyre just sharing something. Discussions don't have to strictly be about right vs wrong, unless you're on reddit

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Worse than that, these are all vibe coded changes. If you look at any public Anthropocene codebase, they are all vibe coded messes with no coherent vision. I was looking at the Claude Code GitHub Action and it is a mess of options that don’t exist together, unclear documentation, and usage story being terribly unclear.

People say that a mostly-vibed project will collapse under its own weight. I personally doubt it, but I will be amused if the first big one falls this way is Claude Code itself.

Considering that Claude Code stalls out on the installation process for me to the point where I never had a chance to use it, we're already there.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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What continues to perplex me is that these people claim that they will be able to contain AGI yet can't roll out a regex match? If AGI is possible then we're most certainly not containing anything.

Just give it a little time. AGI will be redefined to whatever is current and a new AI acronym will be coined for what everyone expected true AI to be in the first place. Artificial Human Intelligence. Actually they'll probably drop the Artificial part. Human Scale Intelligence.

AGI is a specific brand of Arm processors.

The meaning behind the acronym is so wrong that I already forgot what it stands for. This is aggravated by the fact that every single marketing page of this Arm brand refuses to mention what the acronym stands for.

Thanks to being at the forefront of AGI, Arm has had a spark of genius. The G in AGI stands for AI.

Of course the A is obviously Agentic and the I is Infrastructure.

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