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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by petre »

gpm wrote: post #596
ta9000 wrote: post #580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The NUCLEAR threat regarding the 2026 Winter Olympics (Milano-Cortina) is the real leverage here. He’s bypassing the regulator and putting a gun to the government’s head regarding national prestige and infrastructure security. Kind of wild that a private company has that kind of power, both in terms of being one of the few that can offer this service and they can make threats at this level.

I have to say I'm curious over whether that's actually leverage or a massively miscalculated threat that is just going to push the Italian population and politicians firmly against cloudflare. I'm pretty sure if you tried that here (Canada) it would do the latter.

Not a fan of Cloudfare but why should it be responsible for providing pro bono services to the Italian government during the winter olympics?

If one gets drunk at the pub and threatens the staff after being served free drinks, they get thrown out. Why should this be any different?

In Spain they also have similar laws made specifically for UEFA and the broadcasters' mafia.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by gpm »

anakaine wrote: post #650
gpm wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to say I'm curious over whether that's actually leverage or a massively miscalculated threat that is just going to push the Italian population and politicians firmly against cloudflare. I'm pretty sure if you tried that here (Canada) it would do the latter.

I have to doubt that it would push the populace against the company when the company is actually both providing good (free protection, DDOS mitigation, CyberSec) and supporting appropriate judicial process to make decisions.

Political threats of withdrawing from an event in an explicit attempt to pressure the country is the opposite of supporting appropriate judicial process.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by nl »

isodev wrote: post #612
ta9000 wrote: post #580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The NUCLEAR threat regarding the 2026 Winter Olympics (Milano-Cortina) is the real leverage here. He’s bypassing the regulator and putting a gun to the government’s head regarding national prestige and infrastructure security. Kind of wild that a private company has that kind of power, both in terms of being one of the few that can offer this service and they can make threats at this level.

> Kind of wild that a private company has that kind of power Also kind of wild that it’s a private US company pushing their current political views on another sovereign state. Cloudflare as a political tool of leverage is a level of dystopia we really should try not to unlock.

What are the exact political views the Cloudflare is pushing here?

That it is unreasonable for Italian soccer rights owners to try to use Cloudflare to enforce their broadcast restrictions with 30 minutes notice?

That it is unreasonable not to have a appeal right for these restrictions?

That the technical solution demanded is technically infeasible?

Not sure that these are political views at all.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by xinayder »

enricotal wrote: post #505
alanfranz wrote: post #49

Italian here. If somebody wants to read the full document about the fine (in italian) it's here: https://www.agcom.it/sites/default/files/provvedimenti/delib... Part of this doc states: ``` The rights holders also declared, under their own responsibility, providing certified documentary evidence of the current nature of the unlawful conduct, that the reported domain names and IP addresses were unequivocally intended…

Also another Italian here. For context, the "Piracy Shield" mentioned in the order is basically a legislative hacksaw authorized by the regulator (AGCOM) primarily to protect Serie A football rights. Soccer rules Italy more than the Vatican.. It’s a mess technically: it mandates ISPs and DNS providers to block IPs/domains within 30 minutes of a report, with zero judicial oversight. It’s infamous locally for false pos…

Italy can also buy the bluff and you know, partner with an EU company to provide them the service Cloudflare would offer "for free".

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by Aeolun »

pred_ wrote: post #293
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #194

Cloudflare CEO threatens to pull out of Italy and to stop offering free "cybersecurity" to its residents Would this mean Italian websites would be free from Cloudflare "bot protection" or whatever marketing name is used for those annoying "Checking your internet connection..." interstitials

One thing it should mean is that anyone using Cloudflare is doing so while risking that its CEO suddenly pulls the rug and closes down the service; not a dependency you want in your stack, and not a great look for a service that's supposed to be usable as a stable high-availability one.

I’m sure they’d give you several month to migrate off (and make noise to your government).

I can honestly see why you’d want to stop giving stuff for free to people taking your money.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by xinayder »

qsort wrote: post #135
alanfranz wrote: post #49

Italian here. If somebody wants to read the full document about the fine (in italian) it's here: https://www.agcom.it/sites/default/files/provvedimenti/delib... Part of this doc states: ``` The rights holders also declared, under their own responsibility, providing certified documentary evidence of the current nature of the unlawful conduct, that the reported domain names and IP addresses were unequivocally intended…

Also Italian. I think everybody sucks here? Most Italian authorities like this one are chock full of incompetents, and I'm almost sure they're just caving in to some soccer broadcaster or some crap like that. He might very well be fully correct on the fact of the matter. Still, the rhetoric of the post is frankly disgusting. No, I'm not taking lessons in democracy from JD Vance, thank you very much. No, I don't think…

The AI generated art is also disgusting. Makes the CEO look like an angry kid because his multi-billion dolar industry got a 1% income fine, which is nothing for them, for a service they provide that keeps having outages because they have bad coders who thought moving their shit code to Rust was a good idea.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by Aeolun »

Foxboron wrote: post #349
ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they only violated the "law" in a local market (Italy) .

And the correct response to that is to write up a threat towards the entire population of a country?

Not the whole population. Only those using cloudflare to protect their websites?
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