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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by ryan_n »

aforwardslash wrote: post #361

Regardless of whether the law is absurd or not (I honestly have no idea, but we've seen some crazy stuff lately in the EU), its kinda precious that a CEO only complains about it when his company is fined. I'm certain it is also quite reassuring for any paying Cloudflare customer that the company strategy is driven by the CEO Twitter rants; That if by some reason doesn't want to play ball with local laws (as draconian…

> I don't feel comfortable financing a company that thinks it is above the law

Of all the companies to make that claim about in 2026, Cloudflare would not be very high on the list I would think... Also, hopefully you're not paying for any genAI services and making that statement?

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by jjmarr »

UltraSane wrote: post #470
dfxm12 wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An arcade stuck in the early 00s would be my ideal third space though.

Have you seen Arcade Time Capsule? It is very accurate recreation of a classic arcade with games you can actually play if you provide the ROMs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LOtkGN138Q

Not the OP, but I tried it when it came out. VR headset technology wasn't good enough for screens within screens and it was nauseating more than anything.

There's also impedance mismatch between using the headset controllers and the physical ones in the game. Ideally, I should be able to use my own fightstick in an augmented reality configuration.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by redox99 »

jsiepkes wrote: post #397
simianparrot wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good players are the US on this front. I say this as a European. Europe at large is in a dark place in terms of freedom of speech, the press, and other issues like immigration. And the US might eventually have to be the ones to apply force to hold our leaders accountable, ironic as that is given history.

> The good players are the US on this front. Don't be fooled. People like Elon aren't pro-free speech. They only want their speech. For example on Elon's X you can call people all kinds of things but calling someone "CIS gendered" is a ban-able offense [1]. Linking to other platforms was also forbidden for a while and in the H1B discussion X shadow banned a bunch of people [2] and I could go on for a while. [1] https…

Him being a hypocrite doesn't make him wrong

Do as I say, not as I do.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by stinkbeetle »

oaiey wrote: post #537
Alupis wrote: post #452

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You do when the fine is more than double your annual revenue in the foreign nation, has international and geopolitical implications, impacts many other US businesses, could harm foreign relations, and will harm regular US citizens. That's exactly the type of thing the Executive Branch is supposed to deal with.

When the risks are too high, then exit the market. When you do business in a market, adhere to the laws there. It is however the business of governments to foster harmonized (globalized) markets. But the US has killed so many regulations and collaborations in the last year, that there is little hope that this will improve any time soon. They do not want globalization anymore but American first. Reactions of other cou…

> When the risks are too high, then exit the market. When you do business in a market, adhere to the laws there.

And when you want help to improve your terms of trade, you can petition your government to assist.

> It is however the business of governments to foster harmonized (globalized) markets.

It is the business of governments to further the interests and wishes of their people.

> But the US has killed so many regulations and collaborations in the last year, that there is little hope that this will improve any time soon.

Is Italy's actions here fostering "harmonized (globalized) markets", I wonder?

> They do not want globalization anymore but American first.

If globalization is what Americans want, then that is what their government should be accommodating. If it's not, then the government should not.

Even if "the experts" think something is right or wrong, even if some economic factor or other might objectively improve with a particular policy, it should be up to the people to decide. Self-determination is one of the most fundamental human rights there is, too often ignored by the ruling class.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by gpm »

ta9000 wrote: post #580
enricotal wrote: post #505

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Also another Italian here. For context, the "Piracy Shield" mentioned in the order is basically a legislative hacksaw authorized by the regulator (AGCOM) primarily to protect Serie A football rights. Soccer rules Italy more than the Vatican.. It’s a mess technically: it mandates ISPs and DNS providers to block IPs/domains within 30 minutes of a report, with zero judicial oversight. It’s infamous locally for false pos…

> The NUCLEAR threat regarding the 2026 Winter Olympics (Milano-Cortina) is the real leverage here. He’s bypassing the regulator and putting a gun to the government’s head regarding national prestige and infrastructure security. Kind of wild that a private company has that kind of power, both in terms of being one of the few that can offer this service and they can make threats at this level.

I have to say I'm curious over whether that's actually leverage or a massively miscalculated threat that is just going to push the Italian population and politicians firmly against cloudflare.

I'm pretty sure if you tried that here (Canada) it would do the latter.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by croes »

>Using global revenue is further example of the extra-judicial overreach

Thank companies that transferred their national revenue via shady tax evation tricks into other countries so that their national revenue was nearly zero.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by xdennis »

gpm wrote: post #391
selfmodruntime wrote: post #279

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> No, I'm not taking lessons in democracy from JD Vance, thank you very much You are falling into a trap where you can not recognize a true point because it is made by someone you disagree with. I don't condone Vance or the Trump admin. He is right about European governemnt's attacks on free speech.

It has been very clear that the Trump adminstrations definition of freedom of speech, including JD Vance's, is that you should be free to say whatever the Trump administration wants and nothing else. They have consistently prosecuted, threatened, deported, withheld money from, and so on people who say things they do not like.

And the answer to that is to point out the hypocrisy (what you're doing), not to take the opposite view, that censorship is important (what so many others are doing when Trump takes a position on anything).

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by cfabuses »

Cloudflare is a haven for abuse.

Most large scam groups now have their own ASNs and IP registrations, so CF just forwards them the report and tells you to contact fiberscam.co.za or whatever fake company the scam group has created. They are not cut out for this workaround and yet the largest scam groups have been using it since 2023.

I don't think they are currently doing any statistical analysis, one provider has just 3 /24s and hosts thousands of scam shops, hundreds of reports to CF and nothing done, they won't consider blocking the ASNs even when you show them a report that 98% of the IPs they own serve scam shops.

At this point I consider CF willfully negligent.

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