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Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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The whites in Filmmaker Mode are not off. They'll look warm to you if you're used to the too-blue settings, but they're completely and measurably correct. I'd suggest living with it for a while; if you do, you'll quickly get used to it, and then going to the "standard" (sic) setting will look too blue.

still looks like yellow piss.

Disclaimer: i prefer movies to look like reality. but apparently this is far away from "artistic purpose".

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I haven’t experienced issues understanding dialogue in Stranger Things, for what it’s worth.

It helps that they're mostly shouting explanations at each other.

Haha, this is very true. They really narrate what they are doing.

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> That was the principle many years ago, you had to leave the world exactly in the state you found it in. This is not true as a generality. e.g. soap operas had long-running stories long before DVRs. Many prime-time dramas and comedies had major event episodes that changed things dramatically (character deaths, weddings, break-ups, etc.), e.g. the whole "Who shot J.R." event on *Dallas*. Almost all shows that I watch…

Soap operas use entirely different tactic - every information is repeated again and again and again. They are meant to be half watched by people who work while watching them. So you need to be able to miss half the episode and still caught up comfortably. That is why slow graduate changes. Neither of these could afford serious multi episodes long arc with nuance played out the way current series can have.

The Polish "paradocumentary" format is like this, but taken to an extreme. Such shows are mostly dialog interleaved with a narrator describing exactly what just happened. There's also a detailed recap of everything that happened in the episode so far after every ad break, of which there are many.

It's basically daytime TV, to be watched at work, often as background, and without looking at the actual screen very often.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Netflix records many shows simultaneously in the same building. This is why their shows are all so dark - to prevent light bleeding across sets. I wonder if this is also true for keeping the volume down.

Why the downvotes, HN?

Because it’s total nonsense.

The darkness of shows has more to do with the mastering monitors having gotten so good that colorists don’t even notice if the dynamic range is just the bottom half or less. Their eyes adjust and they don’t see the posterisation because there isn’t any… until the signal is compressed and streamed. Not to mention that most viewers aren’t watching the content in a pitch black room on a $40K OLED that’s “special order” from Sony.

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Films rely on 24 fps or, rather, low motion resolution to help suspend disbelief. There are things that the viewer are not meant to see or at least see clearly. Yes, part of that specific framerate is nostalgia and what the audience expects a movie to look like, but it holds a purpose. Higher frame rates are superior for shooting reality. But for something that is fictional it helps the audience suspend their disbeli…

I'm not sure I buy that it helps the audience suspend their disbelief. If it did horror films would be filmed at higher frame rates for extra scares. Humans have a long history of suspending belief in both oral and written lore. I think that 'fps' may be as functionally equivalent as the santa clause stories, fun for kids but the adults need to pick up the bill.

Suspend disbelief in that you can't see that the punch never actually landed, or that the monster that ran across screen was actually a man in a rubber suit. When something happen fast at 24 fps it naturally blurs. It is why shaky cam, low resolution footage can be scary. Direct to VHS horror movies could be scary because you could only barely see what was happening allowing your brain to fill in the gaps. At full resolution captured with a high speed camera everything looks a bit silly / fake.

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One problem is that the people mixing the audio already know what is being said: Top-down processing (or more specifically, top-down auditory perception) This refers to perception being driven by prior knowledge, expectations, and context rather than purely by sensory input. When you already know the dialog, your brain projects that knowledge onto the sound and experiences it as “clear.”

Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

I think a good chunk of it has to do with the TVs themselves. I don't have any extra sound system attached to my TV, so I'm working with whatever sound comes out of the TV itself. As TVs get thinner, speakers also get smaller, and focused downwards. So we're using tiny speakers that are pointed indirectly towards me.

I could probably fix over half of the problems I have with TV audio with a decent sound bar, and a good one is a decent percentage of the cost of a brand new TV.

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I watch YouTube with internal TV speakers and I understand everything, even muddled accents. I cannot understand a single TV show or movie with the same speakers. Something tells me it's about the source material, not the device.

A YouTube video is likely a single track of audio or a very minimal amount. A movie mixed for Dolby Atmos is designed for multiple speakers. Now, they will create compromised mixes for something like a stereo setup, and a good set of bookshelf speakers will be able to create a phantom center channel. However, having a dedicated center channel speaker will do a much better job. And using the TV's built in speakers wil…

As someone with a dedicated center speaker, people doing audio mixing do not effectively use it. I even have it manually boosted. Sometimes it's 10% better than without one, but nowhere near enough to make a real difference.

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Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

I think a good chunk of it has to do with the TVs themselves. I don't have any extra sound system attached to my TV, so I'm working with whatever sound comes out of the TV itself. As TVs get thinner, speakers also get smaller, and focused downwards. So we're using tiny speakers that are pointed indirectly towards me. I could probably fix over half of the problems I have with TV audio with a decent sound bar, and a go…

> think a good chunk of it has to do with the TVs themselves

I have a thin TV. I have to turn on subtitles for modern films. For older movies from the same streaming service, however, I can understand everything fine.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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He is absolutely right. The soap opera effect totally ruins the look of most movies. I still use a good old 1080p plasma on default. It always looks good

My parents’ new TV adds a Snapchat like filter to everything. Made Glenn Close look young instead of the old woman she’s supposed to be in Knives Out.

Turning it off was shocking. So much better. And it was buried several levels deep in a weirdly named setting.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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It really isn't. I keep seeing comparisons to the last seasons of Game of Thrones, but while there is a dip in quality this season, it is no where near as bad as what happened to GoT.

They, like 7kids and 4 adults, I did not bother to count, did attack military base, with actual military trained personnel with military equipment. And they did succeed. This is not bad? They just stroll in upside down and nothing ever attacks them. Where the swarm of bats disappeared? When demogorgons attack to kidnap kids they come from upside down. But in upside down they nowhere to be seen. Military general could…

> And we did not even see what was in the case.

You know there are two more episodes, right? That seems like an obvious finale reveal.

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