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Post by whywhywhywhy »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #599
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #577

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> but _most_ people don't (and don't care) Perhaps it's not for everyone.

Many things you don't notice consciously unless you take the time to look but they still affect your overall perception. I suspect highly detailed animations fall into that category.

Seeing something like this or Akira on the big screen there is an analogue patina to meticulous hand drawn motion and some of the effects like the physically process glow effects of the neon lights in Akira that do give a very different feeling than a CG shot.

Although only a few will really appreciate why it's different I definitely think the difference has a heavy effect on the vibe of a movie.

Same with shooting on film vs digital, not that digital is worse it has it's own feeling which can be used with intent.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

District5524 wrote: post #579
ionwake wrote: post #534

Not sure if anyone is interested in this story, but I remember at the height of the PokemonGo craze I noticed there were no shirts for the different factions in the game, cant rememebr what they were called but something like Teamread or something. I setup an online shop to just to sell a red shirt with the word on it. The next day my whole shop was taken offline for potential copyright infringement. What I found sur…

I asked Sora to turn a random image of my friend and myself into Italian plumbers. Nothing more, just the two words "Italian plumbers". The created picture was not shown to me because it was in violation of OpenAI's content policy. I asked then just to turn the guys on the picture into plumbers, but I asked this in the Italian language. Without me asking for it, Sora put me in an overall and gave me a baseball cap, a…

You (and the article, etc) show what a lot of the "work" in AI is going into at the moment - creating guardrails against creating something that might get them in trouble, and / or customizing weights and prompts under water to generate stuff that isn't the obvious. I'm reminded of when Google's image generator came up and this customization bit them in the ass when they generated a black pope or asian vikings. AI tools don't do what you wish they did, they do what you tell them and what they are taught, and if 99% of their learning set associates Mario with prompts for Italian plumbers, that's what you'll get.

A possible (probably already exists) business is setting up truly balanced learning sets, that is, thousands of unique images that match the idea of an italian plumber, with maybe 1% of Mario. But that won't be nearly as big a learning set as the whole internet is, nor will it be cheap to build it compared to just scraping the internet.

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Post by mvieira38 »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #111
mvieira38 wrote: post #96

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It's an IP theft machine. Humans wouldn't be allowed to publish these pictures for profit, but OpenAI is allowed to "generate" them?

I would 100% be allowed to draw an image of Indiana Jones in illustrator. There is no law against me drawing his likeness.

You wouldn't be able to offer a service to draw 1 to 1 recreations of Indiana Jones movie frames, though...

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Post by MatthiasPortzel »

jks wrote: post #448
vjerancrnjak wrote: post #445

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If it overfits on the whole internet then it’s like a search engine that returns really relevant results with some lossy side effect. Recent benchmark on unseen 2025 Math Olympiad shows none of the models can problem solve . They all accidentally or on purpose had prior solutions in the training set.

You probably mean the USAMO 2025 paper. They updated their comparison with Gemini 2.5 Pro, which did get a nontrivial score. That Gemini version was released five days after USAMO, so while it's not entirely impossible for the data to be in its training set, it would seem kind of unlikely. https://x.com/mbalunovic/status/1907436704790651166

The claim is that these models are training on data which include the problems and explanations. The fact that the first model trained after the public release of the questions (and crowdsourced answers) performs best is not a counter example, but is expected and supported by the claim.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

lukan wrote: post #540
ionwake wrote: post #534

Not sure if anyone is interested in this story, but I remember at the height of the PokemonGo craze I noticed there were no shirts for the different factions in the game, cant rememebr what they were called but something like Teamread or something. I setup an online shop to just to sell a red shirt with the word on it. The next day my whole shop was taken offline for potential copyright infringement. What I found sur…

How was your shop taken down? Usually there are lawyers letters involved first?

Sure, from the suing party who sent a DMCA takedown request to your webhost, who forward it to you and give you 24 hours before they take it down. Nobody wants to actually go to court over this stuff because of how expensive it is.

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Post by enopod_ »

Looks to me like OpenAI drew their guardrails somewhere along a financial line. Generate a Micky Mouse or a Pikachu? Disney and Pokemon will sue the sh*t out of you. Ghibli? Probably not powerful enough to risk a multimillion years long court battle.

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Post by Ntrails »

djoldman wrote: post #332

I don't condone or endorse breaking any laws. That said, trademark laws like life of the author + 95 years are absolutely absurd. The ONLY reason to have any law prohibiting unlicensed copying of intangible property is to incentivize the creation of intangible property. The reasoning being that if you don't allow people to exclude 3rd party copying, then the primary party will assumedly not receive compensation for t…

I honestly don't see why anyone who isn't JK Rowling should be allowed to coopt her world. I probably feel even more strongly for worlds/characters I like.

Why am I wrong?

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Post by riskable »

jl6 wrote: post #637
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #572

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> If that asset generates revenue for 120 years, then it’s slightly more valuable than an asset that generates revenue for 119 years, and considerably more valuable than an asset that generates revenue for 20 years. Not so, because of net present value. The return from investing in normal stocks is ~10%/year, which is to say ~670% over 20 years, because of compounding interest. Another way of saying this is that $1 i…

> And that's assuming the revenue generated would be the same every year forever, when in practice it declines over time. For the crown jewel IP that the studios are most interested in protecting, the opposite of this assumption is true. Star Wars, for example, is making more money than ever. Streaming revenues will probably invalidate that assumption for an even wider pool of back catalog properties.

If Star Wars were in the public domain now it would be making even more money. Money that would go into the general economy and not just into a single studio.

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Post by gcmrtc »

enopod_ wrote: post #656

Looks to me like OpenAI drew their guardrails somewhere along a financial line. Generate a Micky Mouse or a Pikachu? Disney and Pokemon will sue the sh*t out of you. Ghibli? Probably not powerful enough to risk a multimillion years long court battle.

Strong with the weak, weak with the strong.

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Post by rhubarbtree »

camillomiller wrote: post #486
RataNova wrote: post #480

The real tension isn't just about copyright, it's about what creativity means when models are trained to synthesize the most statistically probable output from past art.

Correct. I will say the following as a STEM person that was lucky enough to have an art bachelor as well. One side of the world, the STEM nerds that have never understood nor experienced the inherently inefficient process of making art for lack of talent and predisposition, have won the game of capitalism many times over thanks to the incredible 40-years momentum of tech progress. Now they're trying to convince every…

This post should be required reading on HN. Have you expanded it to a blog article?
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