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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by protocolture »

graemep wrote: post #335
Aerroon wrote: post #242

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This baffles me as well. A large group of people seem to immediately treat it as a foregone conclusion that smartphone bans are entirely positive. Nobody seems to even question the idea that we shouldn't ban things by default . The evidence that's used for these bans is more "everyone knows this is true" and less "we have proven that this causes way too much farm, therefore we're banning it". Everyone knows sitting t…

We ban lot of things for kids that they have to cope with in adult life. The US even bans alcohol for young adults, and there are few places where someone under 16 can buy it. Social media is designed to be addictive, and it seems reasonable to ban addictive things for kids by default. IMO we would be better off if adults stopped using it too.

We do ban lots of things that kids will have to cope with in adult life.

But we don't ban harmless tools that kids will need to learn to use in adult life.

And you can tell me all about the harms of social media, but social media can be accessed via computer also. Then you will tell me all about how computers are locked down to prevent access to social media at school. Effectively you will go on to describe reasonable controls that schools have decided they simply wont implement in this case.

The truth of the matter is technical literacy is in decline, schools have almost completely vacated the space. If teachers are mad at distracted students they can incorporate the distraction into the education (My secondary school did this with classes Excel in for basic financial maths, edutainment games, dedicated computer research lessons for otherwise book subjects) or choose to entirely stunt the kids by removing them.

Schools did this same shit to computers, they started by banning them, then incorporating them in lots of meaningful ways. If schools tried to ban laptops at school today we would be up in arms, but lots of "reasonable" people saw it as an easy quick win the last time around.

The trick here is to convince schools not to be 10 years behind but to keep up. If that means more funding in you jurisdiction, or higher fees, then do it.

I always remember a good friend of mine who was the first in his entire school to write an essay on his Apple II and print it off to hand in to the teacher. He got a zero for "cheating" and swore off computers until he was over 30. I imagine his experience would be familiar to kids caught "cheating" by using their pocket access to all of human knowledge to conduct research.

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Post by gus_massa »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #467
gus_massa wrote: post #425

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What happens if both parents work?

You do the best you can, but you’re likely setup for failure. As a parent in the trenches, I do not recommend children to anyone who is not fully prepared and informed for twenty years of a form of hardship. https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/parents-under-pressu...

I was asking about the 4 day class week. It makes it very hard to have two working parents.

(Also note that the 20 years is only an optimistic lower bound.)

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Post by bawolff »

gretch wrote: post #292
devmor wrote: post #268

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That kind of sarcasm is not just saying the opposite of what you mean. It’s an attempt to compel the reader into understanding their own flawed rationale by presenting an argument under the reader’s pretense that is obviously flawed. An adolescent way of thinking would be deriding sarcasm as beneath you intellectually.

Great points! Why didn’t I think of that? You must be way smarter than me!

What a weird comment. Were you trying to prove devmor's point?

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Post by jweir »

jstummbillig wrote: post #264
jweir wrote: post #190

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Our eldest child has a phone. But it has to be kept downstairs at night - no tech in the bedroom before bed. Hasn’t been a fight or a problem at all.

How old are they and since what age do they have the phone? What constitutes as before bed and at what age do you think you'll lift the no tech restriction entirely?

Daughter got her phone at 12, 7th grade. It was a Nokia but the thing broke so we broke and gave her an old iPhone.

Before bed means before she starts getting ready for bed.

The last question I don’t know.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

gus_massa wrote: post #652
toomuchtodo wrote: post #467

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You do the best you can, but you’re likely setup for failure. As a parent in the trenches, I do not recommend children to anyone who is not fully prepared and informed for twenty years of a form of hardship. https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/parents-under-pressu...

I was asking about the 4 day class week. It makes it very hard to have two working parents. (Also note that the 20 years is only an optimistic lower bound.)

Ahh, my apologies. With regards to the 4 day week, parents are exposed to additional childcare costs I presume. The perils of having children in a macro that considers them a luxury good, and is unwilling to subsidize daycare nor pay teachers more. If you go into it knowing you’re going to suffer (cannot afford daycare, childcare, etc), that’s a choice.

> Also note that the 20 years is only an optimistic lower bound.

Strongly agree.

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Post by toasterlovin »

Aurornis wrote: post #148
toasterlovin wrote: post #60

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I have a longstanding hunch that the whole “teenagers need more sleep” thing is greatly exaggerated and it’s just that teens just stay up too late because they’re extreme stimulation seekers. Phones have made things worse, but we’ve had TVs, etc for a long time.

Teenagers do need more sleep. They also naturally tend toward later hours. This phenomenon even extends to similar developmental phases in some other species. That said, the availability of artificial lighting, then the availability of TV, and now the availability of phones have made the problem exponentially worse by removing the natural boundaries that bracket out daytime hours. I have friends and family who are te…

Yeah, but kids in general need more sleep. Are teenagers peculiar among other age groups? My hunch is that they’re not with respect to how much sleep they need, but are with respect to how much sleep they get.

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Post by duxup »

jonhohle wrote: post #122
duxup wrote: post #95

My kid's school got a lot of press for a smartphone ban. To be clear you could still have a phone, it was just taken if anyone saw it during school hours. If you got caught 3 times your parents had to come retrieve it ... that last part did wonders. I don't know how the sleep part plays into it, my oldest of course wants his phone with him at all times (he is required to put it away before bedtime). I wonder if the s…

Our school has similar restriction, but then shoved Chromebooks in front of every kid and they use chat instead of text, watch videos, and play games all through class instead. When I’ve tried to find alternatives for my more distractible kids, the school acts like we’re putting them out. What is the point of a cell phone ban when it’s just replaced with a more capable device?

At least for my kids their Chromebook traffic is all routed through the school (or the school's filter provider...) and through a web filter. It is updated regularly, presumably by the filter provider.

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Post by warner25 »

Levitating wrote: post #646
warner25 wrote: post #555

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Well, I think it's the combination of the apps as you described with the devices to connect to them always being within arms reach. Take away either one (or take away the unlimited, always-on network access, like I have a 500 MB per month data plan) and I think we're having a very different conversation. > seen what these apps do to people only a few years younger than me and it's just depressing I'll make the obliga…

> Well, I think it's the combination of the apps as you described with the devices to connect to them always being within arms reach. I wholly agree. As for the personal experience, I am only 21 so I left high school (in europe) around 3 years ago. TikTok started to boom around 4 years ago. What I've noticed is that my peers who are just a few years younger than me use these apps much more. To the point where it's ju…

> unbearable to watch a movie with them because they open their phone up every minute just to get fed some random content

Yeah, unfortunately I know some Millennials and Boomers like that too.

Anyway, you have an impressive perspective on this for a 21 year-old. These discussions tend to be among us old folks who grew up with dial-up Internet on the family desktop computer in the living room. I would not have guessed your age from your first comment.

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Post by rsanek »

cma wrote: post #634
rmbyrro wrote: post #632

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you can be agnostic while not objectifying the female image to a point of forming a generation of young man that are addicted to porn and can't talk and connect to a real women

Is this true that men aren't connecting to real women? What's the evidence? US STD rates are up 90% from 2004.

https://boingboing.net/2021/03/22/adult-male-virginity-soars...

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Post by rsanek »

gretch wrote: post #302
DrawTR wrote: post #262

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For what it's worth, the product demands $50 for what is essentially a probably (not endorsing it!) find the NFC code online and just dump it to a tag of your own.

If you know how to do all of this, you probably make more than $100 per hour at your day job (maybe a lot more!). In which case you can jump through all those hoops, or you can just go to work for 30 minutes and then buy it.

making more than $100 per hour, post tax, puts you somewhere at $400k+ income per year. outside of FAANG this is nearly impossible. even within it it's not so easy lately.
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