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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Yeah and have you tried it? It’s as dogshit as the original Bard.

I've been using Gemini in Bard since the launch, with respect to coding it is outperforming GPT4 in my opinion. There is some convergence in the answers,but Bard is outputting really good code now.

You're right. I just tested it with some code prompts and it did surprisingly well.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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While it’s minimal (and some might consider it below the bar), they did successfully use the pi to read an external moisture sensor and print the results to the screen. They did use the hardware provided, and did use software to accomplish a goal. If the teacher just wanted to test what problem solving skills the students walked in, I’d say that’s a fair result.

Again, it’s easy. Did they present it as that? Or did they fake stuff to make it appear to the professor that they got the hardware and software to do more than it did?

I'm honestly impressed by how many people aren't getting this. The distinction is so clear too. Maybe needs to be presented in a different way?

For anyone not getting why this is cheating, try this. Pretend you are the teacher. You saw students pull this stunt and say that it was a live demo. Would you feel like you were deceived if later you found out it was not in fact how they presented it? (I'm honestly unsure how you can answer this in the negative)

Or how about you watch an ad of someone taking to a box and the box responding, then you buy the box and it's a pile of rubber bands and paper clips. Would you want your money back?

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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This must’ve been shot by one of the directors who did Apple’s new show Extrapolations. Very plausible illustration of AI in daily life though, despite the aggressive climate change claims made in it. But neither AI not climate are there yet…

That show’s most out-there predictions all take place after 2050. Your criticism isn’t relevant.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I did this at university. It was our first comp sci class ever, we were given raspberry pi's. We had no coding experience or guidance, and were asked to create "something". All we had to work with was information on how to communicate with the pi using putty. Oddly, this assignment didn't require us to submit code, but simply demonstrate it working. My group (3 of us) bought a moisture sensor to plug into the pi, and…

There’s a story about sales guys at a company (NewTek?) who faked a demo at CES of an Amiga 500 with two monitors showing the “Boing” ball bouncing from one screen to the next. This was insane because the Amiga didn’t have support for multiple monitors in hardware or software so nobody could figure out how they did it. Turns out they had another Amiga hidden behind running the same animation on the second monitor. When they started them at the right offset it looked believable.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I was fooled. The model release announcement said it could accept video and audio multi-modal input. I understood that there was a lot of editing and cutting, but I really believed I was looking at an example of video and audio input. I was completely impressed since it’s quite a leap to go from text and still images to “eyes and ears.” There’s even the segment where instruments are drown and music was generated. I t…

I went back to the video and it said Gemini was "searching" for that music, not generating it. Google has done some stuff with generative music (https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/experiments/music-lm) but we don't know if they'll bring that into Gemini.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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When you make carbonated soda you put carbon dioxide in deliberately and use a sealed container to hold it in. When you make a rubber duck you don't put air in it deliberately and it is not sealed. Carbonated soda ceases to be carbonated when you remove the air. A rubber duck in a vacuum is still a rubber duck and it even still floats.

If the rubber duck has air inside, it is known, and intentional, for it is part of that design. If you remove the air from the duck, and stop it so it won't refill, you have a flat rubber duck, which is useless for its design. Much as flat pop is useless for its design. And this nuance is even more nuance-ish than this devil's advocate post.

A rubber duck in a vacuum (not a duck in atmosphere with a vacuum only inside) would not go flat or pop. It would remain entirely normal, as useful as it ever was, and it would still float on a liquid the density of water. Removing the air would have no effect on the duck whatsoever. It's not part of the material of the duck in any reasonable interpretation.

But pedantic correctness isn't even what matters here. The model made a statement where the straightforward interpretation is false and misleading. A person who didn't know better would be misled. Whether you can possibly come up with a tortured alternative interpretation that is technically not incorrect is irrelevant.

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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One has nothing to do with the other. There's no rule about all broken tools because they can be broken in different ways. What's so difficult about my hypothetical? I laid it all out for you.

I assumed you understood we reached the end of the usefulness of your hypothetical to the original analogy since, as you said, the tools can be broken in different ways. I tried to introduce a scenario that was more applicable and less theoretical so that we could discuss those particular points. If we do somehow try to apply your analogy, it would indicate that the LLM output is flawed in a way we cannot scrutinize…

>This doesn't really comport with the LLM scenario, where the output is fully viewed, and the outputs are widely understood (that is it is a known failure mode).

Yes, it does. People are regularly using LLMs to brief themselves on topics they are ignorant about. Are you actually serious?

>This is more closely related to a computing service -- of which you are an active user of. You are using a "broken" computer right now, according to your definition of broken correct ?

Doesn't really matter, because I'm not relying upon the computer for the verity of its functions

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I was fooled. The model release announcement said it could accept video and audio multi-modal input. I understood that there was a lot of editing and cutting, but I really believed I was looking at an example of video and audio input. I was completely impressed since it’s quite a leap to go from text and still images to “eyes and ears.” There’s even the segment where instruments are drown and music was generated. I t…

Seems reminiscent of a video where the lead research department within Google is an animation studio (wish I could remember more about that video) Doing all these hype videos just for the sake of satisfying shareholders or whatever is just making me loose trust in their research division. I don't think they did anything like this when they released Bert.

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Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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I demo'd a full browser office suite in 1998 called Office Wherever (o-w.com). It used Java applets to do a lot of the more tricky functions. Shopped it around VCs. Got laughed out of all the meetings. "Companies storing their documents on the Internet?! You're out of your mind!"

Im curious if the code would be available somewhere? I have to admit I'm curious how it worked!

Netscape had a feature called LiveConnect that allowed interaction between Java and JavaScript. See http://medialab.di.unipi.it/web/doc/JavaScriptGuide/livecon.... for some examples of how it worked. Even though AJAX wasn't available yet in 1998, I think you could have used LiveConnect to achieve the same thing. Java applets had the ability to make HTTP requests to the originating host (the host that served the applet to the browser).
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