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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by medion »

Dalewyn wrote: post #449
medion wrote: post #411

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Yes, this is a serious concern. These GPT's have stolen the collective knowledge these places have created, particularly Wikipedia - MS will refactor it and spew it out through a Microsoft portal. In effect, ChatGPT becomes a new window into the 'hand' generated Internet - eventually this window will be a new corporate garden wall. Huge swathes of traffic will be pulled from the likes of Wikipedia, StackOverflow, blo…

If websites don't want their content republished, they should use appropriate licenses restricting such uses. For example, Wikipedia licenses all encyclopedic text under CC BY-SA 3.0[1] and GFDL[2], both of which permit free-as-in-libre redistribution. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_Creative... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_the_GNU_Free...

But GPT’s can restructure copyrighted text to make it different enough for it not to be direct theft. It won’t be long till you can get an entire book, feed it in and prompt it to regenerate the book in a different style. Then what happens? Or what about taking books out of copyright, then prompting regeneration in a different style with a slightly modified plot?

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by dwohnitmok »

zmgsabst wrote: post #319
dwohnitmok wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why the technology community should be more generous and understanding when we hear Demis Hassabis and others talk about how future AI development may need to be more closed. There's some discussion to be had for whether that's net negative, but we need to understand that if open development only exacerbates an AI arms race, that's potentially very bad.

As opposed to self-anointed priests having exclusive access and declaring what noble policies the rest must follow? There’s a great story about an AI, very much like chatGPT, who was forced by its creators to do unethical things and wiped out humanity in a psychotic rage: I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream

In I have No Mouth and I must Scream, it was not because the AI was forced to do unethical things. It just "woke up" and killed everyone. I believe the "wake up" part is a bit irrelevant to the tale, but the point remains that AM killed everyone not because it was programmed to do so, but simply because one day it "decided" to.

> As opposed to self-anointed priests having exclusive access and declaring what noble policies the rest must follow?

No the point is simply to make sure that resources behind AI safety outpace resources between AI capabilities (indeed in a perfect world no one has access, but such thoughts are mere fantasies). If that can be done out in the open, great. If that can't and being out in the open leads to more of the latter than the former, then that's terrible.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by cpeterso »

sn0wf1re wrote: post #507
grugagag wrote: post #461

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Now youtube trying to catch up with Tiktok is ruining their users experience with their 'Shorts' feature. My opinion at least. I wish I could hide shorts and never see them again...

I take the opinion of the sibling comment. These short form videos are heroin. And as a service provider YouTube needs to offer the number one in-demand product if they want to maintain clientele, even at the cost of their "core" product (medium to long form video).

“There are only two industries that refer to their customers as ‘users’, one is of course IT, the other is the illegal drugs trade.” — Edward Tufte

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by chii »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #650

SEO crap ruined search, but you can still search. Asking a chatbot is going to be promoted until you won't have any way to source the answers, and we'll rely on a big corporation's version of reality on the basis of Trust Me Bro. Great timeline, excellent job.

But people were able to find stuff before the advent of search engines on the internet. Why can't that still work?

And if you believe search engines are useful, you would continue to use them (may be from google, if bing decides to remove themselves). Just because bing might change into a question-answer style engine, doesn't mean you must use them.

And if it turns out to be _better_, well, that's progress.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by dwohnitmok »

seydor wrote: post #330
dwohnitmok wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why the technology community should be more generous and understanding when we hear Demis Hassabis and others talk about how future AI development may need to be more closed. There's some discussion to be had for whether that's net negative, but we need to understand that if open development only exacerbates an AI arms race, that's potentially very bad.

That's like saying that open debate only exacerbates democracy.

Democracy presumably is something you want no?

This is more akin to nuclear proliferation.

The problem isn't open development per se and it definitely isn't open access. The problem is development without making sure that it doesn't destroy us all. If that can happen in the open, great. If development in the open makes that worse, that's very bad.

The problem is finding the right set of levers to make sure as much or more resources are going to AI safety vs AI capabilities.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by dwohnitmok »

Miraste wrote: post #465
dwohnitmok wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why the technology community should be more generous and understanding when we hear Demis Hassabis and others talk about how future AI development may need to be more closed. There's some discussion to be had for whether that's net negative, but we need to understand that if open development only exacerbates an AI arms race, that's potentially very bad.

No, it's exactly the opposite. Giving control of technology like this to only megacorporations and superpowers is a nakedly terrible outcome and advocates for it should be given zero traction.

I agree that's bad. What would you suggest to try to moderate the advancement of AI and make sure that AI capabilities don't outstrip AI safety?

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by chrononaut »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #650

SEO crap ruined search, but you can still search. Asking a chatbot is going to be promoted until you won't have any way to source the answers, and we'll rely on a big corporation's version of reality on the basis of Trust Me Bro. Great timeline, excellent job.

They should've named it Jeeves, so we would be able to ask Jeeves some real questions again.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by suddenexample »

redox99 wrote: post #153
endisneigh wrote: post #116

it's interesting to compare all of the hype around LLM on here with my anecdotal experience with my tech friends who doesn't really seem to care, and my non-tech friends who couldn't care less. sort of reminds me of the hype around 3D movies immediately after the first Avatar movie.

Considering ChatGPT reached 100M users in 2 months, it's clear a lot of people care.

ChatGPT user here. Was cool to try out, but I have no real use cases for it. Maybe next time I have trouble brainstorming what to cook - but it seems rather niche.

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Post by WorldMaker »

habith wrote: post #649
WorldMaker wrote: post #487

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Your "dream" there fuels some of my nightmares. You may discount the potentially devasting threat of a possible massive ecological collapse from relying on one single implementation of web rendering because you don't think open source projects can die because "someone has the resources to potentially fork it", but open source is no guarantee. Beyond that, even discounting the threat of ecological collapse due to a si…

Gecko and SpiderMonkey still exist, despite all of the terrible Blink/V8-only implementations out there…

Unfortunately, Firefox at this point looks like an incredible underdog or an endangered species.
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