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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

laserlight wrote: post #546
aussieshibe wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? I heard an argument like this a lot at the start of discussions about whether we should be able to choose to WFH in the longer term. "I don't want to WFH because..." Ok, sure, but nobody is trying to force you to. It might just be me, and I'll de…

> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? Yes, it would, because will require you to opt-out of Apple's ultra-managed experience to use their app.

> Yes, it would, because will require you to opt-out of Apple's ultra-managed experience to use their app.

So, which "" is making you do this on android, where you can actually sideload apps?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by MrScruff »

thefounder wrote: post #221
isatty wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and I want to give my not so technologically literate parents an iPhone and I want it to just work. I want a consistent experience that’ll let me debug their problems from around the world or just feel confident sending them to the Apple store. Even for a power user like me, I’d rather have an ultra reliable device with amazing manufacturer warranty than something I can hack on.

Not all of us are "not so technologically literate parents". Why are we treated that way?

To be honest, I'd be fine with Apple putting an 'unlocked' mode behind a massive warning screen that doing so removes the ability of Apple to protect them from bad actors (with an optional notification system so I know if my parents have been coerced into doing this).

However let's be honest, that wouldn't satisfy Facebook, Spotify, Epic et al because most people wouldn't do this so it wouldn't really help them. Facebook, Spotify & Epic don't care about user freedom, they just want to get the 30% cut back and to track you more than they're currently allowed.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by dotancohen »

mandeepj wrote: post #38
mrguyorama wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to fall on your face when you have ARMIES of normal people all jockeying to put the pillow under you for free

Are you certain we can call them normal?

I'm certainly not normal, but for all of Elon's eccentricities I'm thankful for jumpstarting the EV industry and revamping the space launch industry. He gets a lot of rope for those endeavours, no matter if he uses it to bind Cook's hands or hang his own neck.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by laserlight »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #651
laserlight wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? Yes, it would, because will require you to opt-out of Apple's ultra-managed experience to use their app.

> Yes, it would, because will require you to opt-out of Apple's ultra-managed experience to use their app. So, which " " is making you do this on android, where you can actually sideload apps?

I don't know. What's your point?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by ArnoVW »

cmdli wrote: post #391
pessimizer wrote: post #125

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So having more than one app store degrades the experience of people who choose to use Apple's app store like having more than one newspaper degrades the experience of people who read the New York Post.

That's exactly true. Right now, app megacorporations are only using Apple's App Store (with the protections like Ask Not To Track) because they are forced to. The moment those corporations aren't forced to, they will turn around and force whatever consumers to use the app store that the corporations prefer. The choice of app store isn't ever in the consumer's hands, its in the corporations hands (Apple or otherwise).

If that were the true reason that Apple is forcing Appstore, and that's a big if, then Apple could still offer this "amazing service to customers", by contractually forcing companies to always also offer payments via Apple if payments are accepted elsewhere.

If I can think of that in 30 seconds, then so can Apple. I'll let you draw your own conclusion.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by foobarbaz33 »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

> Android is not Linux

It most certainly is linux. You probably mean it's not a GNU operating system.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by yalogin »

sschueller wrote: post #21

Elon just tweeted from Apple HQ and is meeting with Tim Cook. Elon also deleted the tweet meme that he's going to war over the 30%. All talk and no substance, this thing won't go anywhere. Elon probably got what he wanted from Apple and everything else is just fud for the masses. Elon does not care the 30% or what Apple does in China. He wants Twitter to stay in the app store and Apple to pay for advertising on Twitt…

If I have learned anything about Elon, he is a bully and is currently using freedom of speech to get what he wants. He has an army of fans which include opportunistic powerful politicians and he is threatening to let them loose on anyone that doesn’t do his bidding. He doesn’t have any principles and won’t stick to any unwritten rules of decorum either.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by RHSeeger »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

> It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved.

My wife switched away from an iPhone an an Android device less than a year ago exactly because this _wasn't_ the case.

- Restore from backup failed... pretty much impossible to solve as far as we could tell

- Tell iTunes what songs you want loaded onto your phone and sync. Then leave the house and it downloads some of the songs off the internet, because it _didn't_ actually sync them to the phone. It just loads a placeholder. Pretty severe impact for someone not on an unlimited plan.

- Ran into a problem and had to get the music library from itunes/phone. I don't recall the exact details (it was years ago), but every song had been renamed to some random alphanumeric string. It took a long time to fix them.

Honestly, it was one long series of the system doing something that clearly wasn't what she, as the user, would expect (or exactly _not_ what she told it to do).

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by wepple »

mochomocha wrote: post #85
wepple wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there instances of apple disallowing criticism of Apple?

The analogy doesn't have to hold on every possible behavior of the two entities compared for OP to have a valid point.

Agreed, but I was pointing out one of many significant differences.

I was generally pointing out that the analogy has extremely tenuous overlap.

Comparing a software ecosystem to an authoritative regime is a very big call, only one step away from the classic “x is basically hitler”

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by robertlagrant »

bayindirh wrote: post #526
aussieshibe wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? I heard an argument like this a lot at the start of discussions about whether we should be able to choose to WFH in the longer term. "I don't want to WFH because..." Ok, sure, but nobody is trying to force you to. It might just be me, and I'll de…

> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? No. > It might just be me, and I'll definitely fret about whether I'm being unreasonable for at least the next couple of hours, but this kinda frustrates me. The thing is, I'm stating my position and not telling that just because I choose somet…

I think the point is that the benefits you list can continue if Apple adopts a Google model of allowing power users to add additional stores. You seemed to be presenting them as reasons why that shouldn't happen.
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