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“It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by mlyle »

015a wrote: post #172
nemothekid wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iMessage was released on iOS 5 with the release of the iPhone 4S. Before then, all messages had a green background. Somehow sticking with the default of more than 10+ years is intentional maleficence by Apple?

In a product development org, refusing to prioritize something is identical to deprioritizing it. @Time0 -> Priority1=X, Priority2=Y @Time1 -> Priority1=X, Priority2=Z, Priority3=Y Across this timeframe, Y's priority was lowered from P2 to P3, because the org intentionally decided to make Z a higher priority. One could argue that improving this experience was never in their priority list; but as long as product leade…

I think you're misreading the above comment.

He's pointing out that Apple considered green originally the best background color for texting, and then added their own protocol with a blue background.

So it's not like they deliberately relegated SMS to green because they were certain blue was better; if they believed blue was superior, they'd have used it from the beginning.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by worthless-trash »

infotogivenm wrote: post #610
worthless-trash wrote: post #584

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Not on my end, no skip button.

Not sure what device you’re on but every iphone I’ve set up I’ve (at least initially) skipped signing in. It’s not hidden or subtle or anything (especially compared to latest windows OS), it’s a big Skip link. The main downside is you can’t install any apps, and in my experience iMessage does NOT work until you log in with apple ID, just SMS/MMS.

Could be country specific..

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by comex »

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

You can disable Secure Boot on a Mac and still use iMessage.

In this state, it would still be theoretically possible to attest to some kind of unique hardware ID, as the Secure Enclave is still locked down. But even if it weren't, it would be good enough to just distribute a unique key with each device. Sure you could take it off the device, but who cares? If it got banned, you'd still need to buy a new device for a new key.

…But given the sibling comment (by pxeboot) about using iMessage in a VM, I'm not sure whether any of this is actually done.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by [deleted] »

mikewhy wrote: post #188
dymk wrote: post #148

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Wrong color, iMessage uses #64C567 for the green background, which has a higher contrast than the pair you supplied (1.85 versus 2.15)

I'm confused by all the mention of "what colour apple uses" in messages, message bubbles are a mask over a gradient

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Post by Calamitous »

altairprime wrote: post #59

Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

Then why do I still get texting spam on my iPhone?

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radiojasper wrote: post #122

I still don't get why people use SMS/MMS anyway? I've been using WhatsApp for ages now and so does everybody else in my country - and every country I've been in, apart from China and Japan. My friend who's from the US once said "I've paid for those text messages, so I'm going to use them!" But if I send him a text from Europe to the US, I pay 1 damn euro per delivered text. WhatsApp is free! Is there any viable reaso…

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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by ewhanley »

Seanambers wrote: post #135
jacooper wrote: post #81

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Well Apple is going to be forced anyway, the EU's Digital Markets Act will be enforced soon. And fines are up to 20% of global revenue .

As an iPhone user I do not like EU dictating how Apple software should work at all. The same with chargers as well. Sure we can all have a discussion about how it should work - but having bureaucrats decide is the worst idea ever.

I couldn’t agree more. I like the walled garden. I don’t care if some messages are green. If I wanted to have granular control over everything, I’d buy an Android phone. I really struggle to see why some regulatory body should be able to force a company to alter their products unless it’s something that impacts customer safety. There are plenty of alternatives in the market.

I suspect most iPhone users are of a similar opinion or no opinion at all. Sure, here on HN you can find plenty of strong opinions, but the average iPhone user doesn’t care and is happy with the ecosystem and hardware.

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Post by carabiner »

kriskrunch wrote: post #510

I setup a BlueBubbles server on a spare Mac and I installed the BlueBubbles App. Boom. iMessages on Android. Done. Messaging is already extremely fragmented. BB is only the eighth messaging app on my phone. Considering getting on Beeper to consolodate this madness. Matrix/Element was too rough to utilize as is. Almost everyone I text with is on iMessage in the US. 95% or more of my regular contacts. Many are often ou…

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Post by inferiorhuman »

kelnos wrote: post #618
inferiorhuman wrote: post #540

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> But everyone already has the default messaging app installed, so that problem just goes away. Okay, so let's say Apple implements RCS support. Should they support the version of RCS that the carriers want? The version Google implemented? Are they now going to be required to implement support for proprietary Google extensions? Will they have to run their own RCS servers because carriers don't support this version of…

They should implement the version (and extensions) that gives them interoperability with the most users. Which, yes, would probably be whatever Google implemented, including the E2EE extensions. This... isn't really hard?

Why should Apple (or anyone) be on the hook for implementing proprietary extensions? Once you peel back the marketing schtick this is just demanding that Google be able to determine which proprietary services are included on an Apple product. That's ridiculous on its face.

If the issue is interoperability with Android users, fine. Google had successful messaging apps on iOS (I used a few) and they destroyed them through their own mismanagement. RCS doesn't solve that in the slightest.

> This... isn't really hard?

If you want E2EE the demand is now that Apple spin up its own Google-RCS servers and/or rely on Google's infrastructure. If you want Apple to rely on the carriers you don't get E2EE. Rather than work with the carriers Google fragmented RCS making implementation that much more difficult.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by infotogivenm »

worthless-trash wrote: post #652
infotogivenm wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what device you’re on but every iphone I’ve set up I’ve (at least initially) skipped signing in. It’s not hidden or subtle or anything (especially compared to latest windows OS), it’s a big Skip link. The main downside is you can’t install any apps, and in my experience iMessage does NOT work until you log in with apple ID, just SMS/MMS.

Could be country specific..

True, or carrier lock specific if it involves activation. I would be surprised by this though, and deeply dislike the idea.
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