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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by bscphil »

ypcx wrote: post #449
algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

Writing this from my 2019 XPS 15 7590 i9 with (extended) 64 GB RAM. The OLED display quality is still the best any laptop can offer, but that's where it ends. Had countless issues with sleep, reboots after being "killed in sleep" for going over Windows sleep "battery drain limit" (can be increased in registry but hey), wifi/bt issues after wake-up, short battery endurance, fan noise (mitigated by undervolting w/ Thro…

> like bad keyboards, bad trackpad (too much scrolling, jagged scrolling, bad trackpad surface)

Curious to hear more about the keyboard / trackpad issues you're seeing. I have an older XPS model, which has the best laptop keyboard I've ever used (better than any MacBook I've tried) and a great trackpad too (I haven't used a MacBook from the last several years, but it's hard to beat physical left/right buttons).

Has the touchpad changed? Mine is extremely smooth, it does not stick to your finger at all, and has no texturing on the surface like cheap laptops sometimes do.

Furthermore, I'm curious if you've tried Linux on the laptop at all. In the past, most issues I had with "bad" trackpads (other than when the surface itself was bad) were resolved by installing Linux, where the drivers simply worked better than on Windows and were generally more configurable (although the advent of libinput changed that).

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by AuthorizedCust »

fxtentacle wrote: post #608
naikrovek wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

Haha I should have mentioned that one as a repeat offender. After the Surface wakes up, reboots, makes noise, gets hot, and drains 20% of its battery, if I then run "powercfg.exe /lastwake" it'll pretend that it did not wake up X_X And in my case, there wasn't any non-Microsoft drivers on the system. The issue appears to be that they do magical stuff when they spot a WiFi connection, or when my WiFi router does its d…

Are you sure it went to sleep? I’ve had prior issues on a Surface and a 9310 where it appeared to sleep but didn’t. I found that out through Event Viewer.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by avianlyric »

toxik wrote: post #342
avianlyric wrote: post #239

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I suspect that without complete galvanic isolation (which would require a transformer in the power supply), you can’t avoid this phenomenon. Although why you can avoid it probably depends on what country you’re in. But as a general rule it pretty tricky to get a true “zero volt” reference out of an AC socket. (You can’t know if the neutral is actually zero-volts, or just a different phase, or if a fault elsewhere has…

But laptop chargers _do_ have transformers, and inductors for that matter -- they're switching power supplies! I actually had a problem with this on my MacBook to the degree that I would simply connect a wire between the protective earth and a radiator I had. It worked, strangely enough. It's also perfectly safe to do.

I stand corrected, the power supplies you find for electronics do have transformers in them that provide galvanic isolation.

I guess I’ve spent too much time looking at high voltage (measured in kV) power electronics used in HVDC transmission, it didn’t occur to me that household electronics would use a slightly different approach.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by dheera »

algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

Same with Linux honestly. I suspended a Linux laptop, shoved it in the bag, got on the train, little did I know that it didn't actually go into suspend.

Like WTF, if the lid is closed, the hardware should force it to suspend, not get stuck in some software. If the software doesn't respond in time then force the damn thing off.

It heated up like mad, even too hot to touch. Was worried about the possibility of a Lithium battery explosion. If that happened who do you sue, Canonical or the laptop manufacturer?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by nier »

x0x0 wrote: post #574
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #532

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Huh. What version Mac/OSX are you using? I've had a Yubikey Nano plugged into various iterations of a MacBook Pro for years and haven't noticed this. The worst battery killer for me is Firefox.

10.14, late 2019 16 inch mbp I thought I was being crazy and that maybe something was brushing it, so I let it sit in a moat on my desk immediately after booting. Full battery discharge in sleep in under 30 hours. Without the yubikey, a full weekend sitting on my desk from a full charge leaves a reported 100% of battery.

How did you get macOS 10.14 running on that MacBook Pro?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by markstos »

Pre-Covid, I did daily run commuting with a couple different models of XPS 13 with Ubuntu installed and suspended and didn't have a problem.

I always used S3 suspend and never hiberation because I quit trusting and trying hiberation on Linux long ago.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by dboreham »

samstave wrote: post #637
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

"Not melting a hole" Ha! While not related to the bag issue, I had a 15" MBP literally catch fire in my bed while I was asleep. I fell asleep wat hing Netflix or some such and the macbook caught fire and woke me up. It was in the recall batch for batteries at that time. I took it to apple flagship SF store. They had the FN machine for two months then came back and said that at some point the moisture sensor went off…

Were you binge watching "Halt and Catch Fire"?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by qazwse_ »

Arrath wrote: post #492
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I was chasing this issue with my previous desktop which, at the time, was in my bedroom. I've always preferred sleep/hibernate over shutting it down but when Windows decided it knew better and to constantly wake it from sleep in the middle of the night to do updates, filling my room with light from all the case/fan leds, I was about ready to go Office Space on the thing. What was worse, it wouldn't go back to sleep a…

I had the exact same experience. Nothing like being woken up at 2 am because Windows decided now is a good time to update. It's one of the major reasons I decided to switch to desktop Linux permanently.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by oauea »

naikrovek wrote: post #537
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

Power & Sleep settings > Additional power settings > Change plan settings > Change advanced power settings > Sleep > Allow wake timers > Disable

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by oauea »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #599
naikrovek wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

> I know it's too late to help you But it's not too late to help others! Thank you for showing us how insane this is.

What's insane here? Waking the machine up is a legitimate use case, and it's easily traceable and configurable.
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