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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by Cullinet »

oceanplexian wrote: post #537

IMHO there are things that are much more scary than some trespassing into government buildings or a riot. The possibility that we might slide backwards from traditionally liberal ideas spawned from the enlightenment is utterly terrifying. And we are rapidly heading in that direction.

the widespread negation of facts and obliteration or information on subjects at fiat for political purposes strongly resembles to my mind only a reversal of centuries of libertarian and democratic advancement with frightening and real potential consequent potential for according reversal in social and economic development.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by wernercd »

paxys wrote: post #470
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

The biggest reason for the timing IMO is the Senate races in Georgia. Now that Dems are in control of all chambers and Biden's appointments (to FCC and others) can go through, net neutrality is safe and section 230 is no longer in danger of being repealed, so Twitter will not face any consequences for the ban.

> 230 is safe

Both sides have said 230 needs fixed/removed, if for different reasons. to think 230 can't be removed/fixed now is laughable.

https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-section-230-tech-firms...

> President-elect Joe Biden has said that he wants to revoke Section 230. When Biden was vice president under Obama, the administration was largely hands-off when it came to the tech industry.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/17/biden-wants-to-get-rid-of-te...

> Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden told The New York Times editorial board that tech’s legal shield known as Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act should be revoked.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/01/04/trump-biden-p...

> Democrats, including President-elect Joe Biden, urged Congress to revise Section 230 to force tech companies to remove hate speech and extremism, election interference and falsehoods. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., called Section 230 a gift to Big Tech. "It is not out of the question that that could be removed," she said in 2019.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by pvorb »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

While I can understand Twitter's move, I think a permanent suspension of the account will do a disservice in the long run, at least the way it is implemented right now.

Each and every tweet by him now simply shows "This tweet is unavailable." See the legendary covfefe tweet, for instance: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/86976699489946828...

I would prefer if they marked his account as read-only. Maybe after the inauguration.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by iconjack »

handmodel wrote: post #65
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

Black Lives Matter is still allowed on Twitter. Dozens of people have died from their protests and riots, not to mention hundreds of businesses vandalized, looted, and set afire. Ditto Antifa. This ban is utterly political, which, depending on how "libertarian" you are, may be fine. But the precedent is not a good one in my opinion.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by jxcole »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

IANAL, but one possibility that comes to mind is that these examples are specifically chosen to limit liability. For example, if they banned Trump today based on comments he made a month ago, then someone could sue twitter for allowing speech they themselves admitted caused violence.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by Veraticus »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #544
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #359

> The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. Who cares? The type of person that stormed the Capitol has shown they are impervious to reality. Time to stop the appeasement.

Rhetoric like this is why they stormed the capitol.

No, they stormed the capital because they've been fed a steady diet of lies and misinformation. Appeasing them does nothing but insulates them in their fantasy bubble. It's time for them to return to reality.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by trumpthrow »

wernercd wrote: post #652
paxys wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest reason for the timing IMO is the Senate races in Georgia. Now that Dems are in control of all chambers and Biden's appointments (to FCC and others) can go through, net neutrality is safe and section 230 is no longer in danger of being repealed, so Twitter will not face any consequences for the ban.

> 230 is safe Both sides have said 230 needs fixed/removed, if for different reasons. to think 230 can't be removed/fixed now is laughable. https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-section-230-tech-firms... > President-elect Joe Biden has said that he wants to revoke Section 230. When Biden was vice president under Obama, the administration was largely hands-off when it came to the tech industry. https://www.cnbc.com/20…

Lies.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by llcoolv »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #577
llcoolv wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"it's confirmed that it's antifa" is one of the most delusional things I've seen. All the ones identified and arrested are obvious Trump and qAnon supporters.

This is not true. Most of the ones arrested, however, is definitely true. Check the comment above.
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