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Post by leppr »

scrose wrote: post #108
leppr wrote: post #69

Can we stop endlessly puting Apple's various authoritarians missteps under the spotlight? It's been literally decades now, we know they can and will do whatever they want in their walled garden. Stop giving them attention. Complaining clearly does not work, if you want to make a difference, change platforms. Nobody is forcing you to develop for Apple.

> Can we stop endlessly puting Apple's various authoritarians missteps under the spotlight? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you think the whole 'if you don't like something then shut-up and move' strategy is actually a logical solution.

There's better use of people's outrage than rallying behind a developer giving away their time to Apple in their walled garden. The replies in the HN thread confirm a derivative of my opinion is shared by most.

And in this case, a strategy including 'move' will almost always be superior to one without. Complaining to incumbents does very little.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by BowBun »

excerionsforte wrote: post #225

Might as well call it Poison Pill. What a waste of energy on Apple's part and a perfect grounds for a lawsuit. Apple approved this app with no problems and all of a sudden there is a problem where nothing has changed. Take them to court and dispute it. I assure you they will not be able to prove that this app violates the contract that was agreed to. What I see here as complacency on peoples' part here is ridiculous.…

What exactly is the dev supposed to sue for..?

Apple has full control of their platform and can make any arbitrary calls. If they wanted to censor all pg-13 material tomorrow, they could (though they would face consumer backlash).

One recent exception might be anti-competitive behaviors, but I don't think that applies here.

I think it's just hard learning that when you build your business entirely on a platform or via another business, you are at the mercy of their whims unless you have the resources to extract yourself.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

saagarjha wrote: post #497
ben0x539 wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is the weakest argument? Selective enforcement of rules is a time-honored tradition and seems to be explicitly reserved as the right of the rules-enforcer everywhere. It might be a good argument in a hypothetical debate about the fairness and compassion displayed by Apple, but I don't think you'd get far with it convincing either Apple itself or even a court if one somehow was interested.

It’s a weak argument because Tim Cook has personally testified in from of Congress that the rules are not selectively enforced.

He said companies don’t get special deals, but then I don’t know what else to call the deal they made with Amazon, where Amazon can bypass Apple’s payment system for some users.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by xiphias2 »

lukifer wrote: post #283
asddubs wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not to mention the environmental impact

Yet another reason to implement a Carbon Tax & Dividend [0] ASAP. There's certainly an argument that the intentional waste of Proof of Work is more efficient than the overhead of existing banks; but I suspect the whole crypto world would migrate to Proof of Stake if forced to pay for their externalities. As is it, they simply borrow against the planetary credit card (probably at a rate of ~100x interest), sticking fu…

Actually not at all: the elegant design of the difficulty adjustment means that even if the price of electricity went up or down by 10x, the rate of new Bitcoin issuance would change only temporarily.

I haven't met any Bitcoiner who wouldn't want CO2 emissions to be heavily taxed.

The problem with proof of stake that it decreases the security of the system. There are many ways to trade security of Bitcoin for convenience and extra features (Ethereum is a great example), but so far it seems that the market chooses security.

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by sbarre »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #590
sbarre wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels like a case where the market will dictate what works and what doesn't. It sounds shitty/shady to you (or at least that's how you're framing it here - apologies if I misunderstood) but if people are still buying those homes, then they must think it's an acceptable contract to enter into.

It sounds like exactly the opposite, where the market created or allowed a situation where the majority of people get something they don't want at all. It's ridiculous to even try to say that a home owner will not weigh 50 different factors, and have to tolerate 10 things they do NOT want because they come packaged with 40 other things they either want or absolutely need. Why does anyone even try to pretend like they…

> It's ridiculous to even try to say that a home owner will not weigh 50 different factors, and have to tolerate 10 things they do NOT want because they come packaged with 40 other things they either want or absolutely need.

You make it sound like there's a lack of options for homeowners when you say this. Where I live (Toronto) that is not the case.

Of course there is no perfect deal, there will always be things that aren't ideal but I don't know anyone (and I'm old enough to know lots of home owners) who has ever bought a house that had some kind of feature or clause they absolutely hated or didn't want.

If it's that bad, you don't buy that house, and you find one that better suits your needs.

Otherwise, you're understanding and accepting the terms, and you're willing to live with them.

I hate the argument that "people" are too stupid/naive/stuck to understand or avoid the terms of an agreement they're entering into.. except for the narrator who sees themselves as the smart person who is yelling about it from the mountaintop.

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Post by crazygringo »

rendall wrote: post #639
crazygringo wrote: post #605

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. I just used chronic fatigue as one example, those are others. Regardless, my point stands: when the average person thinks of using amphetamines to stay awake, they're thinking primarily of the illegal context, not the prescription one.

> "when the average person thinks of using amphetamines to stay awake, they're thinking primarily of the illegal context, not the prescription one." Be careful when claiming knowledge of what "everybody" or "the average person" is thinking. You expose your own bias. It can come off as a weird self-own, as if you're saying that you use it that way so you can't conceive of innocent uses

I already am careful and I'm not exposing any bias, but thanks for checking.

It comes across as a weird self-own that you assume I can't conceive of anything else. Especially since I already mentioned the medical uses multiple times. It's simply which usage/meaning is more common, not that the other doesn't exist. It's about frequency, not bias.

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Post by _qulr »

mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

"Just got off a call with @Apple. Appeal accepted and Amphetamine will remain on the @AppStore."

https://twitter.com/x74353/status/1345421211677949957

Re: Apple has threatened to remove Amphetamine from the App Store

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Post by Solstinox »

_qulr wrote: post #659
mmaunder wrote: post #23

You’re angry. I’ve felt this in a trademark lawsuit. You think the world should get behind you and change the corrupt system. My advice is to immediately rebrand as gracefully and effectively as possible and use all that activist energy to effect the transition. They kind of have a point which doesn’t make them right, but they hold all the cards and you will lose this one and regret the wasted bandwidth.

"Just got off a call with @Apple. Appeal accepted and Amphetamine will remain on the @AppStore." https://twitter.com/x74353/status/1345421211677949957

Contrary to the original comment above yours, squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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