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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by kube-system »

kstrauser wrote: post #638
kube-system wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> covers exemptions but nothing to do with 1,000 cycles or Apple as far as i can see. It appears what you're looking for is in B(5)(c)(ii). > (c) From 20 June 2025, manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives shall ensure that the process for battery replacement: > (i) meets the following criteria: > — fasteners shall be resupplied or reusable; > — the process for replacement shall be feasible with no tool…

Jinx! Owe me a coke.

I ctrl-f'd a minute faster than you!

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by maxdo »

and now these voices from right wing, that EU is a communistic union resonate more and more. Now they tell you what to do and how to do.not by market forces.

if anyone can replace the phone, it's much harder to track how it was recycle with phone with battery. same with cars btw.

they trying to change the world by just issuing the order. That usually never works fine.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by cdmoyer »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #498
iso1631 wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1000 cycles is barely 3 years, that's far too low a number

Cycles are not days. My 7 month-old phone is currently sitting at 55 cycles. At that rate it would take me ~10 years to reach 1000 cycles. It isn't quite that linear in practice but realistically it will still be at least 5+ years.

My phone is from December 2023, so 28 months and is at 842 cycles (and 85% max capacity). So, about 33 months at this rate.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by spaqin »

kolinko wrote: post #625
rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

With cameras you don't care about every mm of width, nor about how resistant it is to falls. With phones you do. I, for one, don't welcome that change. I'd be ok with paying someone a bit extra to replace the battery. I mean, I'd be ok if I had a battery die in my phone in the last 10 years, which I don't remember it did.

We've had thin smartphones with replaceable batteries 15 years ago. That was the standard. Galaxy S5 was the last one in that series, and it's not looking too different from today. It was even IP rated for water!

Batteries also don't really die, but you get shorter and shorter life. When a device that barely could make it through 2 days of use now survives for less than one, an "upgrade" seems nicer than it really would've been if you could just swap the battery.

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Post by bityard »

kolinko wrote: post #625
rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

With cameras you don't care about every mm of width, nor about how resistant it is to falls. With phones you do. I, for one, don't welcome that change. I'd be ok with paying someone a bit extra to replace the battery. I mean, I'd be ok if I had a battery die in my phone in the last 10 years, which I don't remember it did.

I don't care about every mm of width, and don't understand those that do. A phone up to 3/4" fits into any pocket that a 1/4" one does.

I had multiple android phones with replaceable batteries and many were no thicker than modern phones, especially once you've added the protective case.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by simplyluke »

vincnetas wrote: post #478
loeber wrote: post #462

I worry that this ends up, like other EU consumer-protection regulation, as an own goal. - The cheapest phones available in the EU (and purchasable online) all have glued-in batteries, not swappable ones. Forcing consumers to use phones with swappable batteries may just mean that the bottom of the market disappears, and consumers will be left paying more for their phones. And would they rather pay less or have swappa…

... other EU consumer-protection regulation ... like unified charging cable, free EU roaming or intercountry bank payments that are instant and almost free, air travel protections?

Like the experience of opening any website for the last decade and being greeted with a cookie popup is more the direction the parent comment was intending I'm assuming.

Some regulations are good, some are bad, all have second and third order effects that need to be weighed against benefits.

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Post by chrisjj »

rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

> I can use 40+ year old cameras

Apple winces.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by virtualritz »

kolinko wrote: post #625
rythie wrote: post #584

It’s been long enough that people of forgotten what’s it’s like. Cameras still have replaceable batteries, there are several benefits: I can have two (or more) batteries, if it runs out I just change it. I don’t need walk around with a USB battery pack and cable hanging off the device preventing me from using it properly. I can put the battery on charge somewhere and leave it, even if not completely secure, because j…

With cameras you don't care about every mm of width, nor about how resistant it is to falls. With phones you do. I, for one, don't welcome that change. I'd be ok with paying someone a bit extra to replace the battery. I mean, I'd be ok if I had a battery die in my phone in the last 10 years, which I don't remember it did.

Not sure what replacable has to do with thickness.

When I bought my first smartpone, a Moto G (1st gen) it was as flat as any phone most people carried around at the time (2014, I think). And the battery was replaceable.

I think also Samsung phones had replaceable batteries then. And this was the case for a few years after. Until it wasn't.

Devices didn't suddenly get thin when batteries were glued in. Why would they?

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