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Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…
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All this reactionary outrage in the comments is funny. And lame. Yes, for the vast majority of the internet, serving traffic is near zero marginal cost. Not for LLMs though – those requests are orders of magnitude more expensive. This isn't controversial at all, it's a well understood fact, outside of this irrationally angry thread at least. I don't know, maybe you don't understand the economic term "marginal cost",…
"such DDOSes as you mention were common, such a scraping strategy would not have worked for the scraper at all" They are common. The strategy works for the llm but not for the website owner or users who can't use a site during this attack. The majority of sites are not handling AI fine. Getting Ddosed only part of the time is not acceptable. Countermeasures like blocking huge ranges can help but also lock out legimat…
Any actual evidence of the alleged scope of this problem, or just anecdotes from devs who are mad at AI, blown out of proportion?
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"such DDOSes as you mention were common, such a scraping strategy would not have worked for the scraper at all" They are common. The strategy works for the llm but not for the website owner or users who can't use a site during this attack. The majority of sites are not handling AI fine. Getting Ddosed only part of the time is not acceptable. Countermeasures like blocking huge ranges can help but also lock out legimat…
> They are common Any actual evidence of the alleged scope of this problem, or just anecdotes from devs who are mad at AI, blown out of proportion?
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The library's archive is not a service provided by the newspaper
So? If the newspaper's website is willing to serve the documents, what's the problem? The point is, if you're pleading with others to respect ""intellectual property"" then you're a worm serving corporate interests against your own.
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Lets not try to qualify the wrongs by picking a metric and evaluating just one side of it. A static website owner could be running with a very small budget and the scraping from bots can bring down their business too. The chances of a static website owner burning through their own life savings are probably higher.
If you're truly running a static site, you can run it for free, no matter how much traffic you're getting. Github pages is one way, but there are other platforms offering similar services. Static content just isn't that expensive to host. THe troubles start when you're actually running something dynamic that pretends to be static, like Wordpress or Mediawiki. You can still reduce costs significantly with CDNs / cachi…
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It's painting border enforcement as somehow immoral. There is no sin in trying to be better at it than those before.
genociding people to take their land within their borders is generally frowned upon today
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Is your interlocutor barking up the wrong tree, or are you missing the forest for the trees? According to the OP: > The program checks 55 properties spanning three layers: your browser (GPU, screen, fonts), the Cloudflare network (your city, your IP, your region from edge headers), and the ChatGPT React application itself (__reactRouterContext, loaderData, clientBootstrap). I guess Firefox VPN will hide the IP at lea…
>But what about the other data, is it faked by RFP? Yes, RFP spoofs or at least somewhat obfuscates/normalizes GPU/screen/font info. The rest are integrity validations of the server/app, and not really identifying in any way. >You might be fingerprinted by OpenAI right now, as “that guy with all the Firefox anti-fingerprinting stuff enabled, even though it breaks other sites”. I'm not sure what the broader point you'…
My broader point would have been that if OpenAI can identify you even when using Firefox RFP, it doesn’t make sense to give them credit for letting you use ChatGPT with RFP enabled. But maybe I was making too many assumptions.
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The person he's replying to argued against putting things on a spectrum. Does that not imply painting everything in black and white? Thus his response seems perfectly sensible to me.
He argued against putting things in a spectrum in many instances where that would be wrong, including the case under the question. What's your argument against that idea? LLM'ed too much lately?
You made a specious dismissal. Now you're making personal attacks. Perhaps it's actually you who is having difficulty reasoning properly here?
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I'm with a slightly older Firefox and can't use many websites at all anymore because the Cloudflare cancer. Of course then you got sites like gnu.org too that block you because your slightly outdated user agent.
I... Don't think it does that? It shouldn't, anyway. How long has that been a thing? They've been hit pretty hard by the slop crew lately but I couldn't imagine it being so bad they require an up to date UA