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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by arturx »

Something I have seen a lot of confusion here in HN, and I think in this context it's important, is that something to be legal is not the same as to be legitimate.

Legality is what is permitted or prohibited by the law. In contrast, legitimacy is based on a moral principle. And thus, it is not universal and depends on the culture and tradition of a specific region.

When concerning law, in my opinion, one does not need to ask, is it legal? Which now clearly, in California, will be legal to impose restrictions on the OS level to access content on the internet. At start it is about age. But this builds a base which can be extended on.

One needs to ask, is it legitimate? Is it legitimate to impose restrictions on computer and internet usage based on who you are?

Another question to be asked is if in democracy all laws are legitimate, as they emanate from the congress which belongs to the nation. It's clear that in non-democratic regimes legality will never be equal to legitimacy.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

rowanG077 wrote: post #473
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In order to get from the first to the second, you need the artificial scarcity laws, and we ought not to keep those.

I disagree. You simply increase the supply of labour by double digit percentage points. Thinking this will not affect the price, all else being equal, is magical thinking.

You're ignoring the other side of the ledger. If the supply of labor increases, but then those people get paid money, then they spend it and create additional demand for labor.

How do you suppose a country with 100 million people can have the same standard of living, if not higher, than a country with 10 million people despite having ten times the supply of labor? Or for that matter that large populous cities can have higher paying jobs than small towns?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by thepasch »

charcircuit wrote: post #600
Tostino wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a serf mindset.

Wanting society to be run effectively and not be blighted with rule breakers does not make me a serf. I have used my free will to decide that I want to live in and respect society.

That would be a lot easier to believe if this law in question actually, you know, helped society. Or did anything to affect how it runs, let alone “effectively.”

As it stands, it reads more like “I’ve used my free will to decide to suspend all critical thinking and accept that anything that anyone with authority decides should be a rule must be unquestioningly accepted.”

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

whatshisface wrote: post #380
thayne wrote: post #376

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I don't think just building more housing is sufficient. That might decrease the cost of living somewhat, but probably not enough to remove the need for a second income. I think ideally most families should be able to survive on the income of one parent, regardless of which parent that is. But I'm not sure how to get there, although I think the problem is closely tied to wealth inequality. I also think in a better wor…

> I don't think just building more housing is sufficient. That might decrease the cost of living somewhat, but probably not enough to remove the need for a second income. While shadowy special interest groups and large corporations are able to write text directly into the laws of anglophone countries, The People can't even talk about one instance without fragmenting into a trillion pieces covering topics such as the…

This is the thing where bad proposals are easier to come up with than good ones. If you want to actually fix it you need to identify the root cause, come up with a viable, efficient, effective means of addressing it, and then get it enacted.

If all you want to do is pass a bad law, all you have to do is pay money.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by izacus »

Jolter wrote: post #422
izacus wrote: post #372

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Because despite the screeching, having good parental controls standardized across distros and OSS software is an idea that benefits Linux as a whole.

Do you think the mechanisms required by this law, as described in the linked article, constitute ”good parental control”?

Yes, they sound reasonable and leave authonomy of using the feature to the parents while closing a massive gap that Linux distros have.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by tmnvix »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Australia and New Zealand too.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by lesostep »

headsman771 wrote: post #585
lesostep wrote: post #576

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Look at projects like byeDPI. Essentially, it's just a VPN service that runs on the phone itself. You phone connection is passed to this VPN that modifies http-headers. I kinda did forgot about Android, yeah. You can't exactly rewrite OS rules there. But it's no less trivial* on Android, you just have to solve it from different angle. * assuming someone will just write the app, and share it. But since similar project…

I admire your optimism. All I can do is encourage you and others like you to ponder upon: Google is trying to force all devs to have verified identies Google and Apple and Microsoft already ban applications they simply don't like (violates their "policies") from their app stores There will be attempts to close the holes when they come to the attention of "stakeholders" The UK already wants to ban VPNs And the aforeme…

I know most of this facts quite well. And yet I believe that the big corps actions are a desperate attempt to extract last drops of value before enshittificating themselves in the hole in the ground.

It's the laws and the FOSS that matter. You can circumvent almost anything, and – if the laws allow – you can share it freely.

I feel like we disagree on "you can't really enforce laws or policies like this without locking down the OS and hardware". In my eyes you can enforce the suggested law, without locking down on things. The law as written requires sending brackets, it doesn't require for them to be in any way to be true. It doesn't require OS to check.

I presume that if a child could get around this restrictions, they could make a choice between following them or getting around them. In my mind it's akin to "don't trespass" signs. Obviously a child could trespass them quite easily, and yet it's on parent to teach them why they shouldn't

Note that I know that we don't know yet what are the restrictions and how they could be enforced. I just don't get how we got from what we know to "lockdown all platforms must happen".

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by RS-232 »

prohobo wrote: post #385
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. Obviously, it's not for protecting children. Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. This is so cynically anti-democratic that they obfuscate the real purpose, don't even bother to make it plausible, and everyone is left talking about how "awful it is" that it's alr…

It’s blatant staging for the global rollout of the beast system.

https://share.google/aimode/69eYN9B5dzogRBCc6

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by chid »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

and Australia?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by rexpop »

techjamie wrote: post #494
usef- wrote: post #167

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Btw, it doesn't need to be actively coordinated for this to happen. Building architectural styles used to be per city and now buildings look roughly the same worldwide. Style is dependent on the year built not the location. Because every architect is "reading the same magazine" worldwide now that the internet exists, rather than debating in their own city. Similar monoculture of global thought is happening in all fie…

> Similar monoculture of global thought is happening in all fields. Thereby removing yet more interesting things to see in the world through the spread of hyper-optimized inoffensive blandness. In the same way that restaurants are slowly turning into the same set of grey boxes with little of note distinguishing each.

> interesting things to see in the world

I mean, kinda the least of our worries in this thread, no? Restaurants and tourism??

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