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I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by Symbiote »

herbst wrote: post #528
ranguna wrote: post #521

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Then what are you talking about? We are talking about electric vehicle charging, as in, cars that have electric motors and are powered by a battery.

In my area according to Google maps I see J1772, CCS1, CCS2, Typ 2, CHAdeMO, NACS next to schuko (landline) (in Austria right now). As said not all stations provide all the standards, not every station has CCS2, hence why I carry multiple cable adapters. That's all I know really. As said I don't drive an electric car.

Google Maps is misleading, as two of those are not approved in Europe, and two others are synonyms.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by aidenn0 »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #527
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IMO it should be illegal to sell an unfused extension-cord. That would solve like 95% of the issues that get blamed on extension cords.

This is the case in the UK, another win for our bulky plug socket

You can fit a fuse in the body of a NEMA 1-15 connector; outdoor Christmas lights, for example do this.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by sandworm101 »

germinalphrase wrote: post #551
sandworm101 wrote: post #545

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> which is nothing compared to regular parking Such advantages will disappear as EVs become more common. Lots of stuff, like super-fast home charging stations or EV using HOV lanes, cannot scale as EVs become a majority. Enjoy the special treatment while it lasts.

Why wouldn’t fast home charging scale? Presumably, homeowners are doing their own installations.

> Why wouldn’t fast home charging scale?

Because current grids are not setup for 10,000-watt chargers in every home and/or parking spot. Just think of trying to provide chargers in an apartment complex, one to each apartment. The power requirements become crazy very quickly. This parallels the issues with rental car companies trying to charge dozens of cars at once, such as at airports. Our grid standards never conceived of such loads becoming commonplace. Whereas today when every EV owner just expects their home charger to be available 24/7, if everyone had an EV some sort of rationing/scheduling would be necessary

Some parts of Canada have already seen this with heat pumps. People were encouraged to switch from natural gas to electric heat pumps. But incentives have been withdrawn as power spikes during cold weather challenge local grids, especially when there is no wind/solar power available locally (think cold winter mornings in the midwest/prairies.)

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by rsolva »

sandworm101 wrote: post #643
germinalphrase wrote: post #551

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Why wouldn’t fast home charging scale? Presumably, homeowners are doing their own installations.

> Why wouldn’t fast home charging scale? Because current grids are not setup for 10,000-watt chargers in every home and/or parking spot. Just think of trying to provide chargers in an apartment complex, one to each apartment. The power requirements become crazy very quickly. This parallels the issues with rental car companies trying to charge dozens of cars at once, such as at airports. Our grid standards never conce…

I always set my eUP to the lowest charging speed at 5A, which is less than many household appliances. No need for quicker charging if I get home in the evening and leave with a full, or close to full battery in the morning.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by j1elo »

majormajor wrote: post #624
j1elo wrote: post #596

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Given how things are being consciously designed (via policies and/or lack of political action), the "people living there already" are just those rich enough to not have yet felt pushed out due to the housing crisis (but give them time). That maybe would be just life , but on the other hand you have lots of other policies that also favor centralization of job creation, development, cultural and entertainment opportuni…

If you want to fight the housing crisis decentralization would be a big win. So if the city is hostile, why not set up outside of it? People already in the city can commute to you; people not already in the city can move outside the city and the surrounding areas can grow over time. If there are professionals willing to pay continually-higher portions of their salary to live in the city regardless of who they displac…

> why can't we find ways to build new areas they want to live in?

Because people want to live their lives today, while what you propose takes decades and must be a process worked on by Town Halls, not "the people". And no, it's not the same. The Town Hall of rich people who didn't yet have the need to leave, is dominated by rich people who didn't yet have the need to leave, not the people who is more affected by the excessive centralization.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by LadyCailin »

j1elo wrote: post #587
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There's no way "30 min by car" is a thing unless you bulldoze the entirety of Central London and replace it with freeways and parking lots. It's always a red herring. Cars are simply not viable past a certain density. It's silly (misleading at worst) to take a distance (say 40km) and a speed (say 80kph) and just claim the journey by car takes 30mins, ignoring everything else! Trains + metro + bikes are the only way t…

That's based on real world times in the european capital I live in. Also the original point was for a city like Oslo.

I can confirm. I live on the outskirts of Oslo, and it is substantially faster for me to drive in the city center, Rather than take public transit. Cheaper too! Although parking is paid for by my job, if it wasn’t, public transit would be cheaper, depending on how long I parked.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by sandworm101 »

rsolva wrote: post #644
sandworm101 wrote: post #643

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> Why wouldn’t fast home charging scale? Because current grids are not setup for 10,000-watt chargers in every home and/or parking spot. Just think of trying to provide chargers in an apartment complex, one to each apartment. The power requirements become crazy very quickly. This parallels the issues with rental car companies trying to charge dozens of cars at once, such as at airports. Our grid standards never conce…

I always set my eUP to the lowest charging speed at 5A, which is less than many household appliances. No need for quicker charging if I get home in the evening and leave with a full, or close to full battery in the morning.

The rate doesn't actually matter. Over time and with a large pool of users it all averages out. Whether you charge fast or slow, your EV still consumes the same number of watts per day/week/month to cover your driving. (5A is about 600 watts, which is like having a space heater running: Not a small load.)

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by diego_moita »

I have a Kia Niro EV 2024.

Before buying this car I didn't like driving.

Now I like driving.

Actually, I like it so much that I began doing something I never did before with any car I had: I read the whole owner's manual, I wash and clean the car every month and I pay attention to maintenance routine.

That's how good it feels to drive electric.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by vannevar »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #359
vannevar wrote: post #173

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Could also have bought a used Chevy Bolt in this price range, with CCS, ~250mi range, and CarPlay.

For some reason when I charge at public chargers a very common vehicle next to me are those Chevy Bolts. If you’ve never compared them side by side you will be surprised, the Leaf is a MUCH nicer car, the Bolts just look way cheaper and lower quality vehicles. I also don’t get this CCS drama, I have yet to come across an actual fast charger station that doesn’t have CHAdeMO in addition to the CCS connection. Maybe in…

I drove both before I bought the Bolt. The Leaf does have a nicer interior. While I wouldn't say it's a huge gap, it was noticeable. But the Leaf also felt heavier and more sluggish. In the end, the extra range, the CCS charge port, and the better driving feel (at least to me) made me prefer the Bolt.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by vannevar »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #389
vannevar wrote: post #173

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Could also have bought a used Chevy Bolt in this price range, with CCS, ~250mi range, and CarPlay.

Safety rating and HEPA air filters? Tesla isn’t excellent with kids in back either.

NHTSA crash ratings for the Bolt are slightly better than the Leaf. I don't know about the HEPA air filters.
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