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Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by will-burner »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #636
will-burner wrote: post #630

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The Model Y is the number 1 selling car in the world. I would hardly class that as a "Rich Person" in this day and age. Would you feel compelled to turn over your phone in the same circumstances? It could be assumed your phone "MAY" contain data relevant to criminal acts that have transpired is an easy way for them to grab all your data.

Someone driving a model y in oakland i would consider rich in the context of oakland yes. This is coming from someone that has spent over 6 years living in the oakland area and over 20 years living in the bay area.

Also it's a joke.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by kazinator »

> A man was found on the back seat of his girlfriend’s Tesla, with a gunshot wound to the head, ending up in critical condition in the hospital. The police towed the vehicle for evidence, although no arrests have been made.

This anecdote does squat all for main point in the clickbait article. It is not even remotely an example of an uninvolved Tesla being towed just for its incidental surveillance data.

> The [Canadian tourist] permitted officers to download the footage without taking away the car, sparing him a visit to the police station.

Not an example of an uninvolved car being towed for data.

> The police obtained a search warrant to tow three vehicles – including a Tesla Model X – and gathered CCTV footage from a nearby market. The evidence led to two arrests for murder and other felonies – although it’s not clear if any of it came from the Tesla.

Ditto.

Not a single example of a confirmed tow of a Tesla for its data.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by I_am_uncreative »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #638
izacus wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live, I do.

How does that work? People take photos and videos whenever they go right? In practice people will get caught in others’ footage all the time. So how can you ban public recording without also banning all photography?

In many cases, you're obligated to not record people in public without their permission. That's the norm, for example, in Sweden, apparently.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by JohnFen »

frogblast wrote: post #634
JohnFen wrote: post #621

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how preserving evidence enters into the decision to seize the entire car rather than the drive.

The drive is inside the car. How do they get at it, and guarantee it isn't tampered with in the meantime?

They have Tesla (the company) unlock the car, then remove the drive. They already have the search warrant, which could compel Tesla to assist. They have a cop babysit the car until the seizure is completed, like they have to do anyway.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

I_am_uncreative wrote: post #643
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #638

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that work? People take photos and videos whenever they go right? In practice people will get caught in others’ footage all the time. So how can you ban public recording without also banning all photography?

In many cases, you're obligated to not record people in public without their permission. That's the norm, for example, in Sweden, apparently.

Do people really get permission though? Like what if you’re in some crowded area - for example taking photos of some landmark? You’re not going to be able to conceivably chase down 10+ people and get their permissions. I imagine most people just record whatever they do and upload it to their social media.

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Post by randallsquared »

izacus wrote: post #608
JohnFen wrote: post #606

> The police usually asks for the owner’s permission to access their Tesla’s Sentry Mode backup USB drive which is located in the glove box, and download the desired content. However, if the owners can’t be located, officers obtain search warrants and tow the EVs into evidence. Why don't the cops get a search warrant for that USB drive and take that rather than confiscating the entire vehicle of innocent people?

What's so innocent about people running surveillance cameras and recording every person walking by on the street?

Basically: “What’s so innocent about having your eyes open?”

If you are somewhere where you might expect that people could see you, don’t pretend that they are supposed to not see you, or to forget what they saw. Thinking ypeopleshould have that kind of control over other people’s memories, even if stored in their stuff, seems dystopian.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by JohnFen »

randallsquared wrote: post #646
izacus wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so innocent about people running surveillance cameras and recording every person walking by on the street?

Basically: “What’s so innocent about having your eyes open?” If you are somewhere where you might expect that people could see you, don’t pretend that they are supposed to not see you, or to forget what they saw. Thinking ypeopleshould have that kind of control over other people’s memories, even if stored in their stuff, seems dystopian.

> Basically: “What’s so innocent about having your eyes open?”

This is in no way equivalent to video recording.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by al_borland »

scohesc wrote: post #632

I wonder if you're fairly compensated by the police department for your time without your vehicle, just because you told the police you don't want to give them access to your Tesla. Plus the time to go down to the station to pick your car up, because you know they're not going to courier it back to you. Plus any accidental damage done to the vehicle because an officer/towing company/whoever damages your vehicle durin…

What would you deem fair compensation? If I come home to find my car was stolen by the police, and I had plans, the compensation for that isn’t so straight forward.

What if someone misses work and is fired? They had to leave for a trip and missed their flight? Missed a wedding? We’re a surgeon and the delay getting to the hospital led to a death? Had to pick up kids, and had no way to get them? Medication they need was in the car and without it they get extremely ill or die?

If the owner actually committed the crime, I wouldn’t have much sympathy. However, when the driver’s only crime is owning a car with camera and parking it somewhere, that’s not good.

Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by [deleted] »

JohnFen wrote: post #613
izacus wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so innocent about people running surveillance cameras and recording every person walking by on the street?

I'm talking about being innocent of the crime under investigation, not the larger societal issue. I agree with you that this ubiquitous surveillance is detestable, but that's a whole different discussion.

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Re: Did your car witness a crime? Bay Area police may be coming for your Tesla

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

fallingsquirrel wrote: post #639
vundercind wrote: post #619

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something doesn’t have to be illegal to be bad.

Maybe so, but this isn't the way to fix it. Two wrongs don't make a right. The natural conclusion of your line of thought is that the police should be able to enforce against things they personally think are "bad", rather than just enforcing the law. Not the world I want to live in, thanks.

> The natural conclusion of your line of thought is that the police should be able to enforce against things they personally think are "bad", rather than just enforcing the law.

Got some bad news for you about the average cop's knowledge of an understanding of the laws they enforce.

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