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Sounds like your property won't be confiscated if you don't try to surveil everyone. Swings and roundabouts.
Having cameras on your house isn't an invitation for the police to come in and take the footage.
Plus the time to go down to the station to pick your car up, because you know they're not going to courier it back to you.
Plus any accidental damage done to the vehicle because an officer/towing company/whoever damages your vehicle during the tow/seizure of your property.
I doubt it.
Tesla should respond by making it harder/impossible for law enforcement to retrieve the data off the drive - maybe encryption at rest only unlockable with your tesla keyfob or phone connection, etc. etc.
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Without first hand knowledge, I'll take a guess: if the owner of the vehicle isn't available or cooperating, then getting access to the USB drive requires opening up the vehicle without a key, which could require some time or specialized tools, or cooperation from the manufacturer. But in general, this isn't really much new. If you have home cameras, and police can obtain a search warrant, then you can be compelled t…
> police can obtain a search warrant, then you can be compelled to provide the video, or they can seize any device (such as entire computer, your server closet, etc) that could reasonably contain the video. Yes but the police can't start occupying my house or deny me access to it because I wasn't home to let them in.
With a search warrant, they can. You can be kept out of your home until they complete the search and seizing of the items named in the warrant. Depending on what is being searched for (excavating your basement looking for bodies?) that could take quite some time.
So the Tesla situation getting press isn't because the precedent is new, it's because most Americans (many in this thread included) don't understand what the law has already been since long before Teslas ever existed, and are surprised at what they find.
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The path of least resistance is skipping the search warrant and asking the owner politely, which the article indicates is what is happening. But if that doesn't work, then preserving evidence is considered to be very important. For example, it would be a problem if the car owner deleted the video.
I don't see how preserving evidence enters into the decision to seize the entire car rather than the drive.
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Something doesn’t have to be illegal to be bad.
But you can certainly do something illegal more easily if you have more privacy.
In general, though, I'd rather have privacy even though I'm not doing anything illegal and, though it pains me to say it, I'd rather they don't tow Teslas just for being nearby.
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This seems pretty messed up on a couple levels. Yet another way we're all being surveiled with the addition of getting your property randomly confiscated.
It's a great argument for not buying a Tesla, that's for sure.
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You have no expectation of privacy in public. Your right to seclusion or privacy does not extend to public spaces.
Where I live, I do.
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You have no expectation of privacy in public. Your right to seclusion or privacy does not extend to public spaces.
Something doesn’t have to be illegal to be bad.