Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by MVissers » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

milansuk wrote: post #270

This looks cool for v1! The only problem I see is most devices don't have much RAM, so local models are small and most requests will go to the servers. Apple could use it to sell more devices - every new generation can have more RAM = more privacy. People will have real reason to buy a new phone more often.

Apple is starting to anticipate a higher RAM need in their M4+ silicon chips: There are rumors they are including more ram than specified in their entry level computers.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/do-m4-ipad-pros-with-8g...

One reason could be future AI models.

I'm not sure if this has been verified independently, but interesting nonetheless and would make sense in an AI era.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #344

tom1337 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your data is being shared. But they've shown that it is being done in a way where only required data leaves the devices and there are some protections in place which try to minimize misuse of the data (the OS will only communicate with publicly signed versions of the server for example). The call to Apples "Private Compute Cloud" is intransparent to the user, ChatGPT calls need permission if I understood it correctly…

> the OS will only communicate with publicly signed versions of the server for example This hardly increases security, and does not increase privacy at all. If anything it provides Apple with an excuse that they will throw at you when you ask "why can't I configure my iOS device to use my servers instead of yours?" , which is one of the few ways to actually increase privacy. This type of BS should be enough to realiz…

Can you configure a Google phone to use your servers instead of theirs for Google Assistant requests?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by TillE » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:36 PM UTC

epolanski wrote: post #393

asimpletune wrote: post #162

Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

> There was one demo where you could talk to Siri about your mom and it would understand the context because of stuff that she (your mom) had written in one of her emails to you... that's the kind of stuff that I think we all imagined an AI world would look like. I can't but feel all of this super creepy.

We're really just describing an on-device search tool with a much better interface. It's only creepy if you treat it like a person, which Apple is pretty careful not to do too much.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:37 PM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #501

dylan604 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Apple's integration means you can use it and not care if it is AI or not. It'll just become part of using iOS (let's face it, that's were the majority of Apple's users will be). From creating a new "genmoji" to any of the other examples of allowing people to do this without know WTF huggingface or the other equally ridiculously named products are. They don't need accounts. They just type a message and decide to p…

> but it looks to me of yet another example of Apple taking products and making them usable to the masses This is a bit obsequious to Apple. I find it hard to give a cogent argument of how ChatGPT is not "usable to the masses" at this point (and being -used- by the masses).

It doesn't integrate to anything, you need to explicitly give it context every time you ask it something.

You can't just log in to ChatGPT and ask it what was on your calendar 2 weeks ago.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by TheKarateKid » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:38 PM UTC

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

I completely agree, especially with the taking away the creative part and leaving us with the chores.

Doctors have exams, residencies, and limited licenses to give out to protect their industry. Meanwhile, tech companies will give an engineering job to someone who took a 4 month bootcamp.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by TillE » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:41 PM UTC

theshrike79 wrote: post #592

dudus wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English only? That is surprising

As long as they don't geolock it to "english speaking" countries, I'm fine with that.

As far as I'm aware, the only time Apple has implemented that kind of restriction is with their DMA compliance. Like, I used the US App Store (with a US credit card) while physically in Europe for many years.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dionian » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:41 PM UTC

markus_zhang wrote: post #549

TBH, I think the IT industry is too concentrated at eating itself. We are happily automating our jobs away and such while the other industries basically just sleep through. I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that. I need the other industries (medical/government/education) t…

> I don't want generative AI in my phone. I want someone, or something to book a meeting with my family doctor, the head of my son's future primary school, etc. I don't need AI to do that.

If someone can do that more productively with Gen AI, do you care?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

karaterobot wrote: post #178

> Apple sets a new standard for privacy in AI, That does not necessarily mean better, just different. I reserve judgment until I see how it shakes out. but if I don't like this feature, and can't turn it off, I guess it's sadly back to Linux on my personal laptops.

It's just Siri, but with better context.

If you don't specifically activate it, it won't do shit.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by rohitpaulk » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

theshrike79 wrote: post #551

windowshopping wrote: post #499

The "Do you want me to use ChatGPT to do that?" aspect of it feels clunky as hell and very un-Apple. It's an old saw, but I have to say Steve Jobs would be rolling over in his grave at that. Honestly confused as to why that's there at all. Could they not come up with a sufficiently cohesive integration? Is that to say the rest ISN'T powered by ChatGPT? What's even the difference? From a user perspective that feels re…

From a user perspective it's 100% clear. If the system doesn't say "I'm gonna phone a friend to get an answer for this", it's going to stay either 100% local or at worst 100% within Apple Intelligence, which is audited to be completely private. So if you're asking for a recipe for banana bread, going to ChatGPT is fine. Sending more personal information might not be.

Still involves friction. A more "seamless" way for Apple to do this would've been to license GPT-4's weights from OpenAI and run it on Apple Intelligence servers.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by TillE » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

jl6 wrote: post #377

I can see people using Rewrite all the time. In the grim darkness of the AI future, your friends speak only in language that is clean, sanitized, HR-approved, and soulless.

I feel like this is an awful feature for your native language, but fantastically exciting for a second language where you're not quite fluent and need to be able to write coherently.