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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Yeah, and Linux will probably have an even longer support period. But MS is in a totally different business. HW manufacturers build and sell new devices to customers who then buy software from a different company (MS). One of the selling point of Windows is that it runs on basically all HW. But they can only afford this because they have monopolized the market. The mobile phone business is very different. (But you ma…

Linux is a bit different because you are responsible for supporting yourself really.

not like microsoft is going to help you if you run into problems either. The software supports it in either case

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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

The original iPhone had 128MB of memory. The iPhone 6s (releasing in 2015, which is the oldest model currently receiving security updates) has 2GB of memory. The latest iPhone, the iPhone 14, has 6GB.

It doesn't make sense for Apple to support devices that aren't even going to be able to run the apps that users want. Not many users are going to want to be using a 6-7 year old device when hardware is advancing and therefore the software is becoming more resource hungry.

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Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

To be fair the mobile device iteration of the repairability movement has always been laden with irony. It's a user empowerment movement solving a problem users didn't care about or want to deal with, championed mainly by middle and upper income individuals in tandem with politicians looking for easy karma (bonus points if they're European because it makes them look tough against the big corporate Americans plus Samsu…

> even though this category lacks the skills and the interest to repair their devices anyway outside of a rare few exceptions

Most poor people do have the skills to take their device into a repair shop to have it repaired?

It makes a big difference to the price of the repair if the device is designed to be repairable. Even better if it’s something a user can do themselves, such as replace the battery in a Nokia 3310.

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By comparison to the Samsung Galaxy A series this is unimpressive. Everything in that line is either 2 OS upgrades/4 years of security updates or 4 OS upgrades/5 years of security updates. That's all the way down to the A03s which is Those are from the release date of the phone, but I think they're doing roughly annual releases on that line. Edit: Samsung also planned for longer device life - there's an option to tur…

I was recently looking for support cycles for Android phones but failed to find anything concrete. Can you point me to where Samsung have documented their support cycle?

This was their original announcement article https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-sets-the-new-standar...

This is their current security update list (not os updates) https://security.samsungmobile.com/workScope.smsb

"... And select devices launched in 2019 or later will be supported with firmware security updates for a minimum of four (4) years following their global launch, while select newer devices will receive up to five (5) years of security updates."

It's a good start I'd say, considering that Samsung is a major player in the android phone space.

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> And driving up the cost of repairs. Yes, but Apple provides low-cost replacement parts. Like the cost of an iphone battery via apple store or apple self-service is objectively reasonable, so yeah, you can't use amazon batteries and who cares? > If I want to turn off the thing that bricks the identification features, there's no technical reason why I shouldn't be able to do that The reason is because it encourages t…

>well if what you're telling them to do is buy a hot stereo out of the back of a truck, that's illegal You're dodging the question. If I buy a replacement Home button, I expect the fingerprint sensor within to work. The fact is, that expectation is objectively right ; it neither breaks your arm or picks your pocket. That's the entire reason why we're getting right to repair laws, for that matter; society agrees with…

The fingerprint sensor is tricky, it’s not clear if it’s actually is Apple’s call or not as it’s part of secure payment flow which would make it quite problematic vis-à-vis the certification requirements that the payment card industry enforces.

FaceID devices don’t have that problem since the front camera including the FaceID IR camera simply move from the old device to the new one.

It also was technically possible to move the old Touch ID sensor just a tad harder.

Apple doesn’t lock down screens and battery replacements (currently at least) as I’ve done both on 6-7 devices for F&F in the past decade or so.

Apple has by far some of the cheapest 1st party replacement services of the major brands, and also the cheapest OEM parts now Samsung charges far more at least in the UK.

3rd party parts are also much more readily available.

I’ve just recently replaced an XS screen with a £30 kit from Amazon for a Galaxy S10 which came out about the same time IIRC the cheapest replacement screen kit on Amazon is more than £200 and Samsung does no longer offer repair services despite the fact that this device isn’t even 5 years old.

Apple does a lot of shitty stuff and whilst it’s about as far from being a right to repair champion as one can imagine in reality the long term support they offer for their devices and the fact that they release only a limited number of SKUs each year whilst moving extremely large volumes of them makes that in practice their devices are the easiest to repair whether you are using 1st party, 3rd party or doing it yourself.

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> [...] hunting down drivers not working This sounds like a really outdated opinion about Linux. If you make a little effort selecting decently supported hardware, everything should work out of the box. I actually use Linux (NixOS) because for my particular usecases, maintenance burden is lower than macOS.

You don't even need Linux to confirm this for yourself. Nix on Mac is a smoother package management experience than any of the Mac-native ones I've tried.

Sure, but NixOS goes one step further than Nix and also manages system packages.

These include the kernel and kernel modules such as drivers, which was the OP's complaint.

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Plenty of models that can work with all frequencies, so I am not sure if that's enough of a justification. Anyway, your point reminds me that the my "dream smartphone" would be one with no cellular connectivity at all. I'm still waiting for some company to start producing a keychain-sized 4G (or 5G) hotspot with an eSIM, which (I hope) would lead to more people asking for the return of the iPod Touch and for somethin…

> justification An odd term in this context. No-one has to 'justify' not selling their stuff to Americans.

They do if they're a normal corporation selling an easy-to-ship product in mass quantities.

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Users can order cheap parts from china just fine. The problem is with manufacturers. Encrypting parts, so simple part swap does not work. Or replacement screen for $300... Apple is really really bad when it comes to repairability!

"Encrypting" parts also has to do with the black market for iPhones. If you steal someone's iPhone, they can brick it remotely, so you can't just resell it as a whole working device, so you part it out to a shady cell phone repair store who will reuse the parts and give you like fifty bucks so you can score your next bag of drugs. By embedding serial numbers on the parts, Apple stops this and makes the parts unusable…

That’s not particularly effective since it seems that most repair shops even the none official ones have ways to rest the devices.

Also the screen can be still easily reused and the rest of the parts can be salvaged for components that end up even in Apples own supply chain I suspect.

If your iPhone is stolen it will be in an electronics chop shop in China within a week.

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there are connectors. > why doesn't Google support it anymore? maybe preserve space for something else inside.

> there are connectors. Can I still charge my phone at the same time? Can I also get it with a larger battery? Should I just hot glue a connector, a powerpack, and a case to my phone to get an actual usable device out of it?

these are extra requirements in addition to updates and ability to use headphones, and which are specific to you.

Looks like you are 0.001% minority, who doesn't pay enough money to draw interest from large manufacturers.

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Oneplus 11 ships with same support (5 years android updates + 4 years security updates)

Wait, OnePlus provides 9 years of security updates? That is huge! Apple’s update policy (and history) is one of the two reasons I own an iPhone (SE). The other reason being all the unremovable junkware I’ve had on Android phones in the past. Next time I need to upgrade (hopefully 6+ years in the future), I will take another look at OnePlus.

The big issue is that OpenPlus is Chinese company, so they can install some backdoor on your phone anytime if CCP will ask.

It may be safer to have another phone without security updates.

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