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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by Server6 »

polartx wrote: post #570
Server6 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched one of my best friends choke on his own lungs and die of COVID last year. He'd be alive if he had gotten the vaccine.

>He'd be alive if he had gotten the vaccine. Sorry for your loss, but there’s no way you could know that. The very same logic you would require you to espouse the belief that any person who received a vaccine and died, died because the vaccine.

He was in mid 30s, young for COVID - but diabetic. There have been actual studies done for the vaccine to show efficacy in preventing death for someone in his risk group. So not the same logic, but accrual proven causation. There's a very very good chance he would've made it had he been vaccinated.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by sva_ »

benibela wrote: post #639
davnn wrote: post #601

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In Austria, the booster was mandatory (otherwise you would not be allowed to participate in any social life) even for young people.

In Germany, too Vaccinated twice without booster, you are still considered unvaccinated

Two vaccinations + confirmed recovery is enough afaik.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by Shocka1 »

oezi wrote: post #485
cerradokids wrote: post #257

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Where did you get that data? According to this study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ there is no increase in Myocarditis cases among unvaccinated people who have contracted Covid-19. This study tracked 196,992 people which is a huge number, so the data here is quite good and clear. Contracting Covid-19 does not put you at increased risk for Myocarditis, the same cannot be said when evaluating a population t…

Well 200k is not very much. The German vaccine watchdog issue a warning letter because there were roughly 300 cases in total reported for the approx. 200m doses administered until May 2021 in the entire EU. Myocarditis/pericarditis are very rare and the effects for young people were mild.

I suppose this is where someone who actually knows what they are talking about should chime in. Myocarditis is actually extremely serious, whether deemed "mild" or not. Once an inner chamber or valve in the heart has been inflamed, the damage is permanent and that area is hardened from scar tissue or fibrosis, which is not reversible. Pericarditis (which I've had for many years since being a young person) isn't as serious, but it will cause hardening just the same.

More often than not it goes away on its own, but the sad thing is there is no surefire way to treat either condition. I've been to the best pericarditis/myocarditis doctors in the world, and I'll let you in on a secret - even these people don't know. Docs will throw Ibuprofen, Colchicine and steroids at it, maybe an experimental drug, or sometimes will just take that portion of the pericardium out. If it's myocarditis, well then, hopefully the medication works.

Like I said, the damage is irreversible. A year or two have passed for some of these kids. Many of them won't experience the long term effects until much later in life, or when it recurs. Just like the scar forms on the outside of the body, scarring forms on the areas damaged in the heart. A young person's heart isn't going to feel the immediate effects, but over the course of 10/20/30 years, quite the opposite.

I'm not anti or pro COVID vax as there is no reason to be tribal here, but there was definitely a more pragmatic path than simply vaccinating everyone. The logical side of my head says these kids were unjustly exposed to a risk they never should have been exposed to. It just doesn't make any sense why a healthy kid should take a vaccine when they could still spread COVID. We were all in the dark about this at that time, but the lack of debate and long term studies should have at least raised some kind of flag for people, especially the average Hackers News user. You cited 300 cases in 200 million like it's no big deal, but that is not justification for the 300 families or parents who voluntarily or forcefully exposed their children to this vaccination. Even if it's just a blip, it's 300 too much, not to mention all the cases across the world.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by Shocka1 »

robomartin wrote: post #335
scifibestfi wrote: post #64

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You're not angered that you were advised to give this to a 15 year old with no upside even after he was hospitalized for 2 weeks as a result?!

> You're not angered that you were advised to give this to a 15 year old with no upside even after he was hospitalized for 2 weeks as a result?! I am being as honest as I can be with regards to our feelings on this. I can't say we are angry about that incident at all. I think I can say we are not happy about not having been provided with all of the information before he got his shot. Frankly, I don't even remember if…

I'm happy for you that you aren't mad, as there is no reason to wear the burden of anger in your life. At a young age I had pericarditis (idiopathic), which developed into both myocarditis and pericarditis. I've now had pericarditis off and on for over 10 years now and hope that it never comes back for your child.

"I think I can say we are not happy about not having been provided with all of the information before he got his shot."

You pretty much hit the nail on the head here and is my biggest gripe about this whole fiasco.

I'm not sure about your situation now, but if this disease recurs and you feel like your kid's heart doctor has no idea what they are talking about, I recommend either Mayo Clinic or Cleveland Clinic. I don't have Facebook, but I've been told there are many support groups for this disease as well there.

Good luck to you, and my prayers go out to you and your family.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by salad-tycoon »

yonaguska wrote: post #355
VBprogrammer wrote: post #316

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I didn't downvote you but if the 12 billion or so COVID vaccine doses issued world wide don't convince you that the vaccine is statistically safe, at least as safe as something as common as paracetamol or aspirin, then what amount of testing would convince you?

It doesn't convince me because I do not know anyone personally that has had an adverse reaction to aspirin, that didn't also overdose on it. Meanwhile, I know several people that have had adverse reactions to the vaccine ranging from issues with periods, to heart problems, to death. No one is seriously tracking the adverse reactions, we've handed that off to the companies that produced the vaccines. And doctors are a…

Just a nurse, this is true. I’ve been running a vaccine clinic. Very few to none are putting in adverse events to the proper place, there are competing data banks to report adverse reactions to (many of which are black boxes, data goes in and nothing comes out), doctors are dismissive, and in the few cases they do admit x,y,z caused by vaccine it is documented lightly.

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Post by salad-tycoon »

t0bia_s wrote: post #627
jjcon wrote: post #250

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And yet despite that these countries have much much higher rates of booster vaccination than the USA does (not to mention there are dozens of other countries not listed in your comment with similar policies to the USA). I think this has more to do with how the health agencies in these countries choose to communicate than anything else; that is I don't think the wording and nuance of all recommendations can be directl…

Do not forget that those numbers including people who has boosters only on paper. I know plenty of people that has just papers for both vaccination and boosters. Including doctors and health care staff. You konw... If there is push, you'll pushed to find another way.

German man took 90+ boosters for others. Lots of fake paper.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by Sugimot0 »

not_good_coder wrote: post #153

The developer of the vaccine should not sponsor this adverse effects trial.

It's kind of sad cause ideally the company using a portion of the money they made on the product, to study adverse effects from the product, is the responsible and transparent thing to do. I wonder what options there are for ensuring/verifying that this kind of research is not swayed or influenced by the sponsors.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by ceejayoz »

robomartin wrote: post #567
bsder wrote: post #523

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> Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it. We have no recourse whatsoever for this incident and any future care requirements. Calling this out as bullshit. Show me a reference. You can get a PLATINUM plan on the California exchanges for less than that for a family--and your co-pay for everything will be under $250. I would also like to point out that "myocarditis" qualifies…

> Calling this out as bullshit. Show me a reference. You mean, like this: https://i.imgur.com/iIz30xw.png Take note of the rating. The fact that they are labeled "Platinum" is nice marketing. We've had family members and friends on some of these plans, they are --and I am being kind-- not great. The context shouldn't be what's on the CA exchanges today. It should be what we and others had prior to being forced into A…

The objection is not "there aren't $2400/month plans". I'm also on a Platinum exchange plan, also for $2400/month this year. We net out well into the $30k range annually out of pocket, probably $40k with various uncovered items like medical marijuana and compounded medications.

The objection everyone's having is that the $2400/month plans are exceedingly unlikely to refuse a medically necessary hospital stay for myocarditis. People are trying to figure what critical piece of information is being left out there.

> Oh, yes, and don't get me started on the Presidential promise that families would save $2,500 per year, keep their doctors, etc.

Nothing in the ACA changed how doctors pick which insurance networks to honor, but if you switch insurers as part of picking an ACA plan you may have a different network just like you'd have if you did so with a non-ACA plan.

You're highlighting ongoing problems with the American health insurance industry and falsely portraying them as ACA-specific. High-deductible plans were on the rise with insurers before the ACA (https://www.kff.org/health-costs/issue-brief/snapshots-the-p...). Premiums were going up 5-15% a year before the ACA (https://www.fastcompany.com/40470468/this-scary-chart-shows-...). Doctors were dropping insurers before the ACA. etc. etc. etc.

Again, look at https://www.fastcompany.com/40470468/this-scary-chart-shows-....

1999: a bit over $5k/year in average premiums

2009: about $13k/year in average premiums, the year BEFORE the ACA was passed

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by oezi »

Shocka1 wrote: post #643
oezi wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well 200k is not very much. The German vaccine watchdog issue a warning letter because there were roughly 300 cases in total reported for the approx. 200m doses administered until May 2021 in the entire EU. Myocarditis/pericarditis are very rare and the effects for young people were mild.

I suppose this is where someone who actually knows what they are talking about should chime in. Myocarditis is actually extremely serious, whether deemed "mild" or not. Once an inner chamber or valve in the heart has been inflamed, the damage is permanent and that area is hardened from scar tissue or fibrosis, which is not reversible. Pericarditis (which I've had for many years since being a young person) isn't as se…

And why would you know more about this than the next internet stranger?

And again: becoming exposed to Covid without vaccination has even higher risk for myocarditis.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by momo_O »

hotpotamus wrote: post #347
jrumbut wrote: post #282

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Although it wasn't vaccine related, my wife had a similar bill for a similar reason and I learned a couple things: They may be saying the hospital or some provider within it was out of network, challenge this on the grounds it was an emergency. Challenge everything on the grounds that it was an emergency. We had excellent grounds to challenge a few of the charges from the hospital (clear billing mistakes), but it nev…

I have an uninsured friend who just gives them a fake name. Seems very non-confrontational to me.

How has they worked out for them?
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