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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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> Will it be correct to say that cost of sexual freedom is emotional detachment from it? Yes, that's what several generations had to discover.

Either that or you learn to love everyone equally. I still think polyamory is O(n!) though.

> polyamory is O(n!)

wow, that,s the best explanation i,ve seen yet. the rewards are also up there.

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post #90

Her take on the Starship troopers shower scene seems to be an american point of view. Nudity in an unisex shower isn't about flirting and sex for a european. Paul Verhoeven was naked too while filming it, because the actors felt uncomfortable at first.

I'm not american (Nor european) but I would still be extremely uncomfortable in an all-male shower let alone a unisex shower. I'm curious what you think the reasons that nudity is not as big of a deal to Europeans are.

If you've ever been on a wrestling team in America you've showered with other males

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> A bare breast is more difficult to get through the censors than a body riddled with bullets. I see this point a lot and I think it is a good one but I have some theories on it too. I think that violence (at least to a point) is part of our natural play instincts, think cops and robbers as a kid. We aren’t disturbed when young children mimic violence, we even see it in nature fairly ubiquitously. Animals play fight…

It seems to be somewhat limited to Americans though. So isn't the obvious explanation the religious, puritan heritage?

WRT sex? Yeah that seems like a reasonable conjecture- but there are counter examples I can’t really figure.

Even atheistic American liberals are totally backwards on sex/bodies. Everything sexual is offensive, or gross. I feel it used to be the religious right in the USA that held those beliefs... now it’s everyone?

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Yes, (calories absorbed - calories burned) will always be true.

Yes, but some people's bodies will burn excess calories by generating heat while other's will immediately store it as fat. When it comes to nutrition, nothing is quite as simple as you hope.

I haven’t read much about the heat fact but the less body mass you have, the more you’d have to burn for heat (there is a relationship between body size and metabolic rate which is inversely proportional, small mammals and infants burn insane amounts of energy just keeping warm).

I did read a study on non exercise thermogenesis and how some people managed to burn quite a bit of calories just fidgeting throughout the day.

So while we all run around the same human body temperature and thermodynamics is all the same, different people arrive at different results because of different behaviors. To what extent they are genetic is up to debate but much is genetic like “a tendency to fidget” or “a tendency to like sweets”.

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What about when all of the unfilled job listings include this requirement? The only way I can see prostitution as ethical is if someone can choose to have no job and be fairly comfortable.

I get what you're saying and think that's a pretty reasonable view. But why do we see having to use your brain to earn a living, or use your muscles to earn a living as any less exploitative? Why is any job ethical unless someone can choose to have no job and be fairly comfortable? Either way, you're essentially forced to do something you'd otherwise not do.

I’m not sure I can describe to you why I feel this way in logical terms. Perhaps it’s just cultural but I know I, and the vast majority of the population finds mental and physical work far less undesirable/bad than sexual.

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I've seen a number of pilots that showed-up caked in sex and f-bombs but by the time the series is a few episodes in, it gets traded up for plot and character building.

The worst example of sex in film has to be the sex scene in the Matrix trilogy. Easily the most boring two minutes of the whole thing. They didn't even show it going in so what's the point

My understanding (and it’s been awhile) is that the choice Neo made by going with Trinity and being alone with her instead of the group was a crucial moment which foreshadows his decision to save Trinity instead of fulfill his duty to as “the one” to reboot the matrix.

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post #321

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Yeah, I actually prefer a minimal sex scene (conveying the idea that it happened) to the explicit and lengthy stuff in your average HBO mini-series. Even less tolerant of sexual violence and torture. When I think of how many fake rapes I’ve witnessed/mentally onboarded via cinema/tv it makes me throw up a bit.

I've linked to it in the past but I think it's relevant again. "Wait, There's Torture in Zootopia?: Examining the Prevalence of Torture in Popular Movies", 2019. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3342908

fascinating.

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post #373

Our society glorifies pornography and sex-work, but condemns the objectification of bodies. Our society condemns fat shaming, but makes idols out of instagram models. We are very, very confused. Huxley predicted a world where sex became God. Orwell predicted a world where sex was taboo. Unsurprisingly, the reality is that our society has become a paradox by adopting both.

I think what you're witnessing is the two ideologies coming to a head. One which is a staunchly prude version of society going head to head with a staunchly open version of society in the most proxy way possible. The proxy being art, journalism, and finally public discourse.

I disagree. The same ideology simultaneously glorifies sex-work as it criticises the objectification of women's bodies by men. The same ideology normalises both actual pornography as well as the increasingly pornographic advertising we see everywhere, that also attacks the over-sexualisation of everything. Other may disagree, but what we are seeing is liberalism approaching the part of lifecycle where it becomes a paradox. And a society built on a paradox is in its death spiral.

Re: Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Our society glorifies pornography and sex-work, but condemns the objectification of bodies. Our society condemns fat shaming, but makes idols out of instagram models. We are very, very confused. Huxley predicted a world where sex became God. Orwell predicted a world where sex was taboo. Unsurprisingly, the reality is that our society has become a paradox by adopting both.

I think you're making some sweeping generalizations about "our society" to be honest, because pornography, sex work and instagram models are condemned just as hard by a lot of people, throughout generations.

This is true, though I would say that pop-culture, mass media, etc. are signs of the direction broader society is trending towards, even if the rest of society lags behind a generation.

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post #331

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Yeah, but that happened with the other party controlling the purse strings, in both cases, who were voted in as a reaction to those administrations with financial mandates.

Both Clinton and Obama inherited a recession from their Republican predecessors, and were punished for the unforgivable sin of responding appropriately.

By that logic did Bush inherit the dot-com crash from Clinton? I think you'd like to make the world fit neatly into ideological views. The boom-bust cycle of the US economy is pretty nuts when you step back and take it all in. Often the federal policies and bank regulations, to the extent they drive 'irrational exuberance', seldom reach their zenith and nadir all within one administration. The subprime mortgage crisis being a good example.
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