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Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

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> You keep on conflating the price to the end user with the revenue share. So then the game devs get more revenue share for the specific example of the Epic Game store. Great. Glad you agree. > everyone except for EPIC So epic gives a larger revenue share to game devs. Great. And Apple's actions are preventing this revenue share increase to game developers, for that game store, at the very least. > You are the not th…

> So then the game devs get more revenue share for the specific example of the Epic Game store. Great. Glad you agree. No I don't. How disingenous. The claim was that it would reduce the cost. There is no guarantee this will happen. > So epic gives a larger revenue share to game devs. Great. And Apple's actions are preventing this revenue share increase to game developers, for that game store, at the very least. At t…

> No I don't. How disingenous. The claim was that it would reduce the cost.

But you agree that it would increase the developer split. Thats good enough for me. Glad you agree that it would increase the developer revenue split.

> At the moment they do.

Ok, and it is still a good thing, that in the moment, for a certain period of time, that developers would get a better revenue split. Thats still good.

> it won't benefit anyone except for EPIC.

I would still rather that a game developer get more of the money that their game makes. Thats still good.

> Also EPIC are buying their way in.

Ok. Even so. That means that in the mean time, developers could benefit from Epic buying their way in. Thats still good.

> That was the agreement between them and the app publisher.

But the agreement could be illegally anti-competitive. Therefore your argument would not be valid in that case.

> They are owed that money

You have no basis for claiming this to be the case, because the lawsuit could still find the arrangement to be illegal, and also the law could be changed later.

> . EPIC want a sea of launchers

If a game company wants to have their own launcher, that should be their right to do so. I would be happy that they get a larger cut, from having their own launcher.

> It is about one large company EPIC trying to force another large company's hand

The precendent that is set would allow other app stores to be on the IPhone as well. Even if you think Epic is doing it for its own benefits, the precent set would allow other game developers or app stores, to be on the IPhone. That helps those groups.

> There will be two dominate app stores.

I still prefer 2 app stores to 1 app store. Also, it would allow a 3rd and 4th or 4th app store to be in the Iphone, if anyone wanted to do that.

> it won't be the indie dev hacker

Well, it would help any indie dev hacker that is now allowed to be on the IPhone, without being forced to go through apple. Those people would benefit.

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

#642

You can always bash Apple but this seems like moving in a good direction. It would have put about $75,000 in my pocket had it been this way when my only successful app was in the App Store. That would have been nice!

> That would have been nice! Too bad Epic Games took so long to direct regulators' gaze on App Store practices (:

At the time I have to say I thought it was a pretty sweet deal. I made this app in my bedroom and put it in the AppStore and a few months later it was top of the charts in Australia, then the USA. Places I’d never have been able to sell to myself. It makes sense to change it now they’re in such a strong position but at the time I thought I was completely reasonable.

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

#643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So then the game devs get more revenue share for the specific example of the Epic Game store. Great. Glad you agree. No I don't. How disingenous. The claim was that it would reduce the cost. There is no guarantee this will happen. > So epic gives a larger revenue share to game devs. Great. And Apple's actions are preventing this revenue share increase to game developers, for that game store, at the very least. At t…

> No I don't. How disingenous. The claim was that it would reduce the cost. But you agree that it would increase the developer split. Thats good enough for me. Glad you agree that it would increase the developer revenue split. > At the moment they do. Ok, and it is still a good thing, that in the moment, for a certain period of time, that developers would get a better revenue split. Thats still good. > it won't benef…

I really shouldn't reply but I really can't leave this unaddressed.

> But you agree that it would increase the developer split. Thats good enough for me. Glad you agree that it would increase the developer revenue split.

I never agreed. Please don't put words into my mouth. It is soo disingenous. I haven't done it to you so don't do it to me.

As for the rest of the points. You aren't accepting the reality of the situation. It will benefit nobody other than EPIC which have a money printer called fortnite. EPIC doesn't care about other developers it cares about itself,. Nobody will benefit from this in the long run other than EPIC and the other huge companies. But you keep on talking about the theorectical benefits, it is the same sort of mental masturbation that GPL zealots engage it. It is mostly pointless and doesn't address reality.

Also your concern trolling for the devs is cute. I imagine the vast number of developers are fine with the current revenue splits on storesm, unless you prove otherwise all you are doing is concern trolling to avoid the real issue.

As for future court rulings about "anti-competitive" practices. We will see. You and I don't know what will happen.

The 70/30 split which I was originally replying to is not anti-competitive or unfair. It is a normaly split and I will keep on re-iterating this because people on here because they are ignorant think it is unfair when it is perfectly normal.

As for app stores. More app stores won't benefit the consumer or the developers in the long run as I don't think the vast majority of Apple users will use anything other than the official App Store. You can claim theorectically it will be better but in practice that won't be the case. It will be a pyrrhic victory at best.

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

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post #231

Antitrust process is probably the biggest known innovation accelerator in XXI century

"XX" Fixed. ;)

Yes, the 1900s were a great century for anti-trust, the 21st century has not had great anti trust cases. yet.

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

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post #296

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Why not get another device? Third party app stores break the security model for regular users. Smartphones have seen explosive growth because normal people can use them safely.

> Smartphones have seen explosive growth because normal people can use them safely. Can you back this claim with a source? How do you explain that Android smartphones has grown even more than iOS, despite the fact that they allow you to install whatever apps you choose?

Can't back their claim, but..

> How do you explain that Android smartphones has grown even more than iOS, despite the fact that they allow you to install whatever apps you choose?

1. Android is free for OEMs, iOS is unavailable. If you want to make a phone then its a great choice, and a free one. 2. Most flavors have a dominant store built in (android store, amazon store, Chinese-oem stores like Xiaomi) that are "safe" or offer that illusion. The important thing here is the built-in-trust of the default settings 3. Piggy-backing off point 1, cheap phone OS means people can make cheap phones -> Cheaper leads to more available for more people, and most of the world is poor compared to US iPhone users

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

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post #437

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> Why not get another device? This advice would work for clothes/home appliances/furniture and other competitive markets, but not to mobile OSes. Mobile OSes are natural monopoly/duopolies. There isn't enough room in the world for 100 OSes for us to get a competitive market. There isn't even room for 3. There is barely room for 2 with great downside. Companies spend a lot of money developing an app for one OS and bas…

> not to mobile OSes Arguably not to OSes in general. Each platform type (desktop, server, mobile) effectively has only a couple of realistic choices when it comes to the OS. The network effects are very strong and winners take all.

Platform effects

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

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post #226

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Feels a bit like whataboutism. Especially since Apple is worse than Google now.

> Especially since Apple is worse than Google now. Care to elaborate on that statement?

Look at the other comments at the same level. No need to add what has already been said.

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

#648

Wonder how this will be handled for apps that are shipped on the app store via a 3rd party publisher. The publisher probably does >$1M across all the apps they publish, but each app / developer is likely far under that. If there are no exceptions, it would mean that 3rd-party publishers lose tons of their value proposition.

They already discourage publishing apps for unrelated companies from the same account and want accounts to be associated with the content provider for each app.

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

#649
post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not get another device? Third party app stores break the security model for regular users. Smartphones have seen explosive growth because normal people can use them safely.

> Smartphones have seen explosive growth because normal people can use them safely. Can you back this claim with a source? How do you explain that Android smartphones has grown even more than iOS, despite the fact that they allow you to install whatever apps you choose?

"Normal people" doesn’t have to refer to the whole population and I would risk that apple iPhone was a imminent proponent to the whole "smartphone" craze.

I don’t particularly like it but the "trickle down theory" non marginally applies to fashionable or otherwise luxury items. iPhone creating a desire later satisfied by a cheaper option. Or something like that.

Re: Apple Announces App Store Small Business Program

#650

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> You keep on conflating the price to the end user with the revenue share. So then the game devs get more revenue share for the specific example of the Epic Game store. Great. Glad you agree. > everyone except for EPIC So epic gives a larger revenue share to game devs. Great. And Apple's actions are preventing this revenue share increase to game developers, for that game store, at the very least. > You are the not th…

> So then the game devs get more revenue share for the specific example of the Epic Game store. Great. Glad you agree. No I don't. How disingenous. The claim was that it would reduce the cost. There is no guarantee this will happen. > So epic gives a larger revenue share to game devs. Great. And Apple's actions are preventing this revenue share increase to game developers, for that game store, at the very least. At t…

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