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Post by adammarples »

jkl5xx wrote: post #266
yojo wrote: post #118

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Meta is straight evil. It undermines the institutions of democracy and it negatively impacts its users mental health, all in service of selling your data to advertisers so they can better goad unnecessary consumption. If I learn you work at Meta, I will judge you as at best lacking a moral compass and treat you appropriately. Apple has problems, but is a lot closer to morally neutral. Ditto for Netflix. Amazon has ho…

This is a pretty uncharitable perspective. Most folks I know working at Meta or Amazon aren’t morally bankrupt. They just have kids, debt, poor parents with health problems, etc. They work at Meta to support their loved ones. And it’s not like you can walk onto the street and just wave down a morally superior job with similar pay and benefits. Blame the tech oligarchs, not the workers.

If morality is only a consideration after similar pay and benefits are secured, then it's not really a high enough consideration to call the person moral

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Post by adammarples »

vanuatu wrote: post #406
mrguyorama wrote: post #364

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Why should anyone at all care about this distinction?

i care that my data isnt being sold i dont really care that i get targeted ads, in fact i prefer targeted ads vs. ones that are of no use to me

Really do you care that your daughters are being advertised beauty products at the exact moment that they delete a photo because it's likely that they're feeling low self esteem at that moment? Because that's a service that you used to be able to buy from Meta.

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Post by Insanity »

imp0cat wrote: post #544
ipsento606 wrote: post #323

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> like it's a huge inconvenience to just bring a personal phone to work It's not inconvenient to bring a phone, but it is very inconvenient to have to conduct personal business on a phone rather than on a laptop. Nonetheless, I agree that it's a bad idea to conduct personal business on an employer-owned machine. But I don't want to pretend that it's super convenient to have to carry a second laptop, either.

Now with the Macbook Neo, the new XPS 13" or the Chuwi Minibook X (discussed at length at HN yesterday), it is more convenient than ever.

Or, an iPad. I’ve only traveled with my work computer and my personal iPad the past 5 years. Roughly on business trips once every ~2-3 months for a week and I’ve found I can do all I need on the iPad Pro.

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Post by siren2026 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #545
kelseydh wrote: post #452

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Feels so insane reading those kind of numbers as a Canadian.

Those are pretty high, I'd want to know more about circumstances and I would be skeptical without knowing more. It can certainly be expensive, but the overall average for unsubsidized ACA plans is about 6000/year. My wife has a small business and she does not pay anywhere even approaching 40K for a pretty much bog standard policy for a ~50 year old woman. She does not go through the ACA marketplace, she gets a group…

> but the overall average for unsubsidized ACA plans is about 6000/year.

That gives you a bronze plan with a really high deductible and out of pocket. Basically you will be paying the inflated insurance prices and mostly not reach the deductible.

> she gets a group policy through the company she uses for payroll.

That's why she pays less though. they are poolling people together through that company. (healthy and unhealthy)

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Post by siren2026 »

henry2023 wrote: post #597
doublerabbit wrote: post #518

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When was the last time you applied for a job and got an interview? I was on a salary of $550 a day with a bank. I left because how grim banks are. I have yet to find another job that pays that much outside of a banking circuit. If meta is paying you high-end why would you give it up for something that pays you less?

Because principles are more important than a paycheck.

That doesn't apply to most people in the bay area (And especially at Meta).

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Post by Computer0 »

jjulius wrote: post #136
LucidLynx wrote: post #22

I have a serious question to anyone working at Meta and reading this: HOW can you still work at this company!? Why don't you quit this very toxic company, and start working at another place or even on your own? I genuinely don't understand... Let just Meta die!

The number of people in these comments who would be happy to be "paid well" to contribute to what's inarguably a huge net negative worldwide is exactly how the company got to this point. It's astonishing how many people value a ton of money over doing something good. Everyone who talks about setting values aside for cash is the problem. Gross.

The comp-sci crowd has disgusted me since about when I graduated college. I do feel a certain sick sense of glee when these people who gloated they don't need worker protections and unions suddenly are left out in the cold. I hope the industry comes around, and stops acting 'better than' everyone who doesn't make 6 figures and get free catered lunch everyday.

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Post by overgard »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #447
jessetemp wrote: post #440

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Makes me wonder what it’s like to identify with the villains in media. Zuck looking at the metaverse and thinking hey that’s a good idea! Or Thanos wasn’t so bad. Those rebel scum had it coming. Homelander is the good guy!

or you know, naming your company PALANTIR

Just a regular reminder Peter Thiel thinks that Greta Thunberg is the antichrist and hesitated when asked if humanity should survive because the question is "layered". This is not a person that should be powerful.

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Post by lbrito »

jm4 wrote: post #456
dyauspitr wrote: post #240

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Does it make a profit? I looked into it but the startup and running costs means I would have to sell more than 100 pretty expensive coffees per day just to break even.

Yes. Margins are high in coffee. We serve a high quality product that customers feel is priced in the value range and we are at like 70-80% blended gross margin. There are plenty of busy shops at >80%. It takes time to ramp up, but 100 orders a day is nothing. We do more than that in an inexpensive suburban strip mall. You can easily get into the hundreds in a high traffic location. The key is to develop a base of re…

What sized city/region?

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

singron wrote: post #239
rybosworld wrote: post #113

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People always answer this question with money. But if we think of it as a version of the prisoner dilemma (Meta is one prisoner, the employee is the other), the right move is probably to work somewhere else for a lower salary. By working for Meta, they are defecting against you (openly screen recording you to train your AI replacement). Choosing to work somewhere else would be like you defecting against Meta. Extreme…

After 5 years, you'll have an extra $1M in savings, and you can safely pay yourself 4% or $40k each year in perpetuity without doing any work. This is also a really extreme version of the prisoners dilemma. In the standard formula, there are 2 prisoners, so it's somewhat practical to not defect, but there are hundreds of thousands of qualified candidates for working at Meta in these roles, so your personal decision t…

>After 5 years, you'll have an extra $1M in savings, and you can safely pay yourself 4% or $40k each year in perpetuity without doing any work.

The only way this could be remotely true on a 400k salary is by saving +80% of take home pay. After taxes that's only 40k/yr to live on.

In a HCOL area. This doesn't even touch on the fact that tenure at most tech places is well below 5y, especially at Meta.

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

floren wrote: post #599
jordanb wrote: post #589

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I found Snowcrash to be surprisingly poorly written. Especially given that I had read Cryptonomicon and Diamond Age before it. The quality of writing is so different. I thought perhaps Snowcrash was his first novel, but it wasn't!

There's something you'll start to notice in Stephenson's books, where a passage will be almost entirely standalone and you think, he wrote this some other time and just barely massaged it to fit into this text. See also "Part 3" of *Fall; or, Dodge in Hell* which is pretty much entirely disconnected from the rest of the story but god damn it Trump just got elected (for the first time) and I've gotta write this.

William Gibson's writing really fell off a cliff post-Trump. Agency was one of the dullest reads I've encountered in a long time.

Speaking of Fall, after a couple hundred pages I ended up just skipping the chapters about Bitworld.

I didn't bother reading Termination Shock and if Gibson ever finishes Jackpot, I doubt I'll pick it up either. What a bummer.

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