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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Kudos for trying

This whole thread was like watching a swarm of ants try and take a grasshopper down

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by scottyah »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #364
miyuru wrote: post #357

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Instagram was uploading the images while the user were adding post details, back in 2012! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3913919 No one seem to use or care about their own product anymore. Only uses dashboard and metrics, which does not explain the full situation.

That makes total sense from a UX perspective though, the ChatGPT thing does not.

there were a lot of helpdesk chats doing the same, so you could see users typing messages, then deleting words, etc before hitting send.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by jesuslop »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Hi Nick, the lag is quite bad in the field, honest. In desktop app in this case/datapoint. There was that "halt and catch fire" episode where they spoke about a millisencod threshold of delay that separated usability and non. Solvent hw and fiber connection.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by lxgr »

kristjansson wrote: post #582
lxgr wrote: post #142

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So the stable state here is all humans eventually being locked out? (Bots are getting better every day; I doubt the same is true for all humans, including those with weird browsers or networks unwilling to install some dystopian Cloudflare "Internet passport".) But hey, at least some bots are also not making it past Cloudflare!

Or else a player too big to be blocked moves into the space with a service that provides some/all of the privacy benefits, but declines to offer the other undesirable aspects of VPN (e.g. location shifting to circumvent local restrictions) i.e. iCloud private relay is the future

I’ve already had a few services lock me out with iCloud Private Relay.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by EGreg »

ale42 wrote: post #31
EGreg wrote: post #21

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Well, that's for the public internet. I'm building Safebox and Safecloud, where this won't be the case anymore. Not only will you have a decentralized hosting network that can sideload resources (e.g. via a browser extension that looks at your "integrity" attribute on websites) but also the websites will require you to be logged in with a HMAC-signed session ID (which means they don't need to do any I/O to reject you…

This was sarcasm, right?

Why would you assume it needs to be? You don’t think that websites on the Internet might not want to allow random bots and scrapers to waste their resources, and require people to have an account in order to access non-static resources on the website? You do realize that API keys exist, right?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by instig007 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #497
instig007 wrote: post #459

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Generalizing with "everything", "all", etc exclusive markers is exactly the kind of black/white divide you're arguing against. What happened to your nuanced reality within a single sentence? Not everything is black and white, but some situations are.

The person he's replying to argued against putting things on a spectrum. Does that not imply painting everything in black and white? Thus his response seems perfectly sensible to me.

He argued against putting things in a spectrum in many instances where that would be wrong, including the case under the question. What's your argument against that idea? LLM'ed too much lately?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by juliangmp »

nikitaga wrote: post #489
PunchyHamster wrote: post #256

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> Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Also the fucking ignorance assuming it's "static content" and not something needing code running

All this reactionary outrage in the comments is funny. And lame. Yes, for the vast majority of the internet, serving traffic is near zero marginal cost. Not for LLMs though – those requests are orders of magnitude more expensive. This isn't controversial at all, it's a well understood fact, outside of this irrationally angry thread at least. I don't know, maybe you don't understand the economic term "marginal cost",…

"They are rare edge cases" are we on the same internet?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by toss1 »

toss1 wrote: post #540
monocularvision wrote: post #239

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You might want to check out “How it Works” on the site as none of what you said applies: https://typed.by/how

Yes. This is from that page: >>While you type, the keyboard quietly records how you type — the rhythm, the pauses between keys, where your finger lands, how hard you press. >>Nobody types the same way. Your pattern is as unique as your handwriting. That's the signal. This very precisely makes my point: Yes, the typing pattern of any human is highly and possibly even completely unique to that human — UNTIL any of a my…

IOW, if you are doing this, it does not matter what you are doing afterwards.

You are assuming that a human's particular typing pattern is consistent, when the fact is that any number of ordinary events will render your assumption false (one or more fingers bandaged, sprained, whatever, or one hand occupied ATM).

This is not a hardware or software problem, and no amount of code, hardware, or cleverness will fix it; this is a fundamental mismatch between your assumption vs reality.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by altmanaltman »

jordanb wrote: post #558
Imnimo wrote: post #149

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It's interesting to me that OpenAI considers scraping to be a form of abuse.

They don't want anyone to take that which they have rightfully stolen.

Well at least they have 1 person working on "Integrity" so can't be too bad
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