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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by watwut »

philipallstar wrote: post #610
spiderfarmer wrote: post #524

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You must be one of the few who still believes what Trump says to the media after nearly 100k proven lies.

Is that because there are no primary or secondary sanctions? Or are you just ignoring what I'm saying?

You are ignoring Trump literally adopting Russian proposals and demands in that war as they are. Trump and america flipped sides, seeing Russia as admirable peer and Ukraine as someone who should shut up and put up.

Trump want deals with russia to enrich himself. For that he needs Ukraine to loose. Bad thing is Putin does not have enough, he wants the rest of Europe too.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by pqtyw »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #624
vasac wrote: post #614

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> Do we want to fight this war on someone else's soil or on ours? Russia thought so too.

What do you mean? There was never any question of attacking Russia and fighting any war on their soil. Nobody in their right mind would attack a country with the 2nd largest army and nuclear weapons. The war in Ukraine definitely made this army still very weak, but, except Ukraine defending itself, I don't see anyone rushing to attack Russia anytime soon. It makes no sense now and made no sense before they invaded Uk…

> with the 2nd largest army

By what metric?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by RobotToaster »

direwolf20 wrote: post #575
RobotToaster wrote: post #389

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> If I allow myself to be optimistic, I'd be hoping for more international lawyers and trade agreements. One of the issues with the current system is that the WTO appellate body, which is effectively the court of world trade, requires USA approval for any appointments, which both Trump and Biden have refused to give. This effectively makes the WTO completely impotent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellate_Body

Didn't the rest of the world form their own WTO without the USA in it?

Which seems completely pointless if they don't also revoke the USA's "Most favoured nation" status.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by detourdog »

fakedang wrote: post #532
detourdog wrote: post #440

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I think Susan Collins is a great example of this. Her support of Kristi Noem is based on deals she finds acceptable for Maine residents. The fact that other states suffer at the hands of ICE doesn't effect her decision's. Collins feels she only is responsible for Maine and not humans that live outside of Maine. I find this sort of compartmentalization offensive to the common good.

That's representative democracy for you. Heck, even China faces the same issue, but they get to make it a competition between provinces, on who can win the favor of the emperor. Helps for them that the emperor has supreme authority though.

Sounds like a narrow interpretation for representative democracy:) Maybe I'm stretching/mangling the golden rule but "do unto others as one would like others to do onto Mainers."

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by jgbuddy »

jraph wrote: post #9
jgbuddy wrote: post #4

Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.

> Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? Apart from Signal, do you know of an actual US service where things are E2E encrypted, including metadata, that also allows several people working on the same thing at the same time? > not having the US have access to EU data It is a great deal about not having US access EU data. It is also about the US not having the power to cut the EU from…

Most blob storage is encrypted. S3 is by default.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by jgbuddy »

KaiserPro wrote: post #14
KaiserPro wrote: post #11

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Its past political. I work in energy now, and we host stuff in AWS. So far so normal. However, with the tubthumping about invading greenland, We see that america is willing to evaporate any system that gets in the way of the sun king's world view. Sure, he says now that "we were never going to invade" but given the way you've all just given up your 1st, 4th, 10th and now 2nd amendment, we're not really that sure. Thi…

Also to your point: "can't we just encrypt it?" Its someone else's computer. The TPM is controlled by someone else. You can't really process on a machine that has a compromised urandom/TPM Also the bigger issue is having all your access revoked over night. Thats the bigger fear.

What? Storing encrypted data doesn’t mean you have to encrypt it on hardware you don’t own

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by patmorgan23 »

fakedang wrote: post #532
detourdog wrote: post #440

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I think Susan Collins is a great example of this. Her support of Kristi Noem is based on deals she finds acceptable for Maine residents. The fact that other states suffer at the hands of ICE doesn't effect her decision's. Collins feels she only is responsible for Maine and not humans that live outside of Maine. I find this sort of compartmentalization offensive to the common good.

That's representative democracy for you. Heck, even China faces the same issue, but they get to make it a competition between provinces, on who can win the favor of the emperor. Helps for them that the emperor has supreme authority though.

No, that's the incentive this specific system creates. There are democratic systems which do not suffer from such hyper localism. Such as the German mixed member proportional system.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by jgbuddy »

embedding-shape wrote: post #6
jgbuddy wrote: post #4

Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.

> unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive I don't think most Europeans want a laissez faire-style "anything goes" market, we want corporations and people to have responsibility for what they do and the effect they have. With a little bit of nuance, some government control and intervention is needed in a healthy society, because we don't…

I disagree on what’s needed for a ‘healthy society’ but maybe that’s subjective

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by jasonvorhe »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #414
pyrale wrote: post #404

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> I think the only ways we can get serious Euroclouds is some combination of Just mandate EU countries' public administration to rely exclusively on EU cloud solutions. That doesn't need to be done at once. This would create enough of a captive market to start the homegrown industry. > Europeans have to use lower-level infra and do a lot more ops in-house To be honest, every large enough company would benefit from do…

> Just mandate EU countries' public administration to rely exclusively on EU cloud solutions. This happens already in some areas and it is not cheaper or better. The EU funds national clouds where public institutions use them. What does it mean? VMware with Tanzu or OpenStack. And then some services thrown in to offer some S3 like buckets and that's it. The rest has to be built by the beneficiaries. Servers? Brand na…

And it's all basically US tech made in China. The irony.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by detourdog »

patmorgan23 wrote: post #637
fakedang wrote: post #532

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That's representative democracy for you. Heck, even China faces the same issue, but they get to make it a competition between provinces, on who can win the favor of the emperor. Helps for them that the emperor has supreme authority though.

No, that's the incentive this specific system creates. There are democratic systems which do not suffer from such hyper localism. Such as the German mixed member proportional system.

Can you describe how the German system works around this issue?
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