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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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US services sell your data for additional profit and damp prices. How are you supposed to compete with that?

If that's the issue, then EU will have to either allow this or subsidize alternatives that don't, otherwise they will not be able to compete.

The third (and the best) option is to outlaw private data exchage with no consent and strictly enforce this with fines. See: GDPR.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire. And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US. And Office suite wise, it took…

Offers such as Scaleway should be sufficient "feature-wise" for startups. Even if they don't have feature parity with AWS (I mean AWS is huge) it has, kubernets and serverless deployment options (functions, containers), S3 compatible object storage, managed databases, queues, llm hosted models, terraform provider. Those should most of what startups need for deployment; at least what I've seen working with many over t…

The real issue with Scaleway seems to be the lack of governance. I am more familiar with Azure and features like Entra and polices seems to be missing.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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> like containing Russia without having to rely on the whims of another country's politics That's true, but at the same time it was probably already the case before invasion of Ukraine, and it is definitely the case now. The main issue is political fragmentation: would Paris and Berlin risk lives of French and German people (soldiers and civilians due to retaliation) to save Vilnius? But if the answer is true (as obl…

> The main issue is political fragmentation: would Paris and Berlin risk lives of French and German people (soldiers and civilians due to retaliation) to save Vilnius? This is a wrong question. If one day Russia feels brave enough to attack any NATO country, the right question to ask is, "Do we want to fight this war on someone else's soil or on ours?". This is the reason why Europe is so focused on helping Ukraine B…

> Do we want to fight this war on someone else's soil or on ours?

Russia thought so too.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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That was a good article, I don’t usually read The Register. Even as a US citizen, I say: good for Europe! The world is simply a better place when countries have independence and can be as self reliant as possible. In the US media there is an ongoing rhetoric that everything in the US is wonderful and everything in the rest of the world is much worse. I am privileged to have travelled widely so I know what a mostly wo…

> The world is simply a better place when countries have independence and can be as self reliant as possible. I would tend to agree, but to take the other side: This also gives rise to massive wars. You don’t tend to go to war when your economy is so intertwined that war is the economic equivalent of a mass casualty event.

> You don’t tend to go to war when your economy is so intertwined that war is the economic equivalent of a mass casualty event.

That is after all the core motivation[1] behind what became[2] the European Union:

The solidarity in production thus established will make it plain that any war between France and Germany becomes, not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible.

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20230516193200/http://aei.pitt.e...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Commun...

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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That would be as close to a declaration of war as you can get without firing a bullet. The immediate and obvious response would be for the foreign branches of those companies to be declared "of national interest", nationalized and forced to keep operating.

>"nationalized and forced to keep operating." Assuming there is no some kill switch which would render a whole infra including hardware inoperable.

We saw the damage crowdstrike caused in a few hours

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Last week I migrated our db away from AWS RDS to a European cloud provider. Everything runs fine and we also have it cheaper! One of our domains is due for renewal in a couple of months. I'm setting up the transfer to a EU registrar for it next week. This all takes time and it's not the most important thing for the bottom line, but on the long run I'm sure I'll look back and say it was a great investment.

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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post #506

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That would be as close to a declaration of war as you can get without firing a bullet. The immediate and obvious response would be for the foreign branches of those companies to be declared "of national interest", nationalized and forced to keep operating.

>"nationalized and forced to keep operating." Assuming there is no some kill switch which would render a whole infra including hardware inoperable.

I'd imagine the government would be in talks with the highest ranking local Amazon employees long before, but I can't imagine a country trusting the hardware or wanting to manage the jank.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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…who lives in Oregon, in the US.

Hey, we'd break away if we could.

I spend a month in Oregon every year mushroom hunting and elk hunting.

Once you're away from a few key cities, Oregonians are more conservative and hardcore than even central Californians.

I think you underestimate your state if you think they're anti American.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Russian and China are already getting rid of Microsoft.

True but obv. Only lunatics would use a Russian cloud service. The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different. Also, why Europe should start treating us like Russians.

> The interesting part is whether and what extent China is different

Much worse for the EU, both strategically and economically. You’ll be able to buy Chinese services and give them your data and money, but you won’t be able to operate in their market. Germany is feeling the pain there. [1] Strategically they’re a Russian ally and are actively supporting Russia’s war against Ukraine and further aims against the EU.

Something like Russia -> China -> US as worst to least worst partners.

The EU should invest in technical and military capabilities and divest from reliance on other countries and echos the US American position very closely.

[1] For example https://www.autoblog.com/features/germanys-auto-industry-is-...

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