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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by YZF »

noah_buddy wrote: post #426
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

Most western a world governments don't fund Israel and yet people there seem to "care" a lot. I don't think your argument holds water. Many western governments trade with Iran and support the oppressive regime there in direct. The US also funds Egypt which is another oppressive regime where there's no human rights. It supports Saudi Arabia that chops up journalists.

Your logic doesn't hold because it never held. The reason people "care" about Palestine is that they've been manipulated to care.

The logical thing would be for the American population to stand with Israel when it's being attacked. That would be the normal default. Like the rest of the world supported the US when it was attacked on 9/11. What we're seeing is the collapse of logic and truth and the win of propaganda campaigns and lies.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by nickff »

direwolf20 wrote: post #588
midlander wrote: post #581

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> The oppressors and the victim are clear in the Israel - Palestine conflict Only if you zoom in and focus on one tiny sliver. If you look at the bigger picture, Israel is surrounded by dozens of countries 100s of times its size, that have all been ethnically cleansed of Jews, many of them in different stages of open or proxy war with Israel, militarily or politically.

If you look at the even bigger picture, it was Israel that decided to pick fights with all those countries.

Those countries literally attacked Israel on the day it became a state, and many times thereafter. Israel is definitely not perfect, but their neighbors have been trying to wipe them out for no good reason for a long time.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by selimthegrim »

rayiner wrote: post #614
selimthegrim wrote: post #566

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My boss was a BNP supporter (at one point I deduced) and regularly used to tell me that Chhatra league was as bad or worse than Shibir.

Growing up with my militantly secular dad, I've always been shocked to even meet BNP supporters in the wild.

He always told me he didn't support any one party outright but he also told me Pakistan was a great country so I could put two and two together. He also called Prothom Alo communists.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by throwawa1 »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

You sound like a good candidate to go home and to fight. Don't volunteer US kids. We should have absolutely nothing to do with your ethnic wars.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by nickff »

thisislife2 wrote: post #613
midlander wrote: post #581

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> The oppressors and the victim are clear in the Israel - Palestine conflict Only if you zoom in and focus on one tiny sliver. If you look at the bigger picture, Israel is surrounded by dozens of countries 100s of times its size, that have all been ethnically cleansed of Jews, many of them in different stages of open or proxy war with Israel, militarily or politically.

Unlike the west, the Arabs or Persians have never nurtured any hatred of Jews till the British (and later the Americans) forcefully backed the creation of a Jewish state in the middle-east. Even today, muslims around the world don't give a damn about Jews or antisemitism unless it is in the context of Palestinians. This is in stark contrast to the christian west, which still harbours a lot of antisemitism and is the…

There was plenty of oppression against Jewish people in the Middle East before Israel became a country. Blame whomever you want, but the Jewish populations there were targeted for discriminatory taxation and various other forms of oppression.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by thisislife2 »

tptacek wrote: post #574
thisislife2 wrote: post #558

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What "imbalance"? It is disingenuous to equate the two political situations as the same: 1. Palestine is a settler-colony of Israel, where the Israeli-right currently in power is conducting a genocide of Palestinians in Gaza ( https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide ) while continuing to steal their land and deny them basic rights. ( https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/who-are-israeli-set... ).…

1. Palestine is not a settler-colony of Israel. 2. The opposition in Iran is not orchestrated by the west.

1. Israel-Palestine:

- History of Settler Colonialism in Palestine - https://www.globalresearch.ca/history-settler-colonialism-pa...

- Israeli Settler Colonialism Is The Obstacle To Peace - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israeli-settler-colonialism-i...

- From Balfour to the Nakba: The settler-colonial experience of Palestine - https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/balfour-nakba-settler-...

2. Iran-US/UK:

- How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days - https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthr...

- They don’t care if you die: How Iran’s protests became a bargaining chip for oil and power - https://www.rt.com/news/631163-irans-protests-oil-and-power/

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by kridsdale1 »

aesch wrote: post #626
koalaman wrote: post #443

Iran and North Korea are evidence that with modern technology, and a ruthless enough autocracy, there is possibly no way out from under it. Technological progress only makes this problem worse. It should highlight the urgency for anybody who loves freedom, human rights, and democracy, to fight the swing towards authoritarianism in the 'free world', before there is no way back.

One could ask, who is giving Iran and North Korea this technology? Most of it they aren't developing themselves.

Why do you say that? Iranian engineers are incredibly talented.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by YZF »

hearsathought wrote: post #603
joenot443 wrote: post #445

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I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

> the Palestinian and Iranian situations It's simple. One is a genocide. The other is not. The more "israelis" ( or is it "iranian expat" ) like you try to pretend to be "westerners" and skew the conversation, the more obvious it becomes.

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by [deleted] »

_menelaus wrote: post #582
epsters wrote: post #559

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I mentioned many conflicts and many countries so this is very broad to cover in one comment but i will try, briefly. I have heard many theories given over the years to justify these interventions - democracy, capitalism, liberalism, oil, minerals, gas-pipelines, gas-fields, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, neo-colonialism, fighting terror, WMDs, fighting rogue states, checking expansionism, checking communism, counter…

I think you're completely right, and the fact that most people don't realize this makes me think that even most 'smart' people are pretty stupid when they have to think outside of what the media tells them.

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