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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by DangitBobby »

mychael wrote: post #514
dashundchen wrote: post #445

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How can one be this delusional? I have the feeling you don't understand what a libertarian is or what the enlightenment was about

Instead of piecing together a well reasoned retort that refutes my arguments, you're calling me "delusional". Please learn how to disagree. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy...

Reading your other comments, I don't think it's possible to convince of what you don't already believe regarding Dear Leader. You live in a different universe, and are a lost cause. Just have to hope there aren't too many like you.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by Gud »

sapphicsnail wrote: post #313
slibhb wrote: post #257

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> Freedom of speech is just the easiest way to have plausible deniability when directly or indirectly defending otherwise indefensible positions. The idea that it's somehow suspicious to be in favor of free speech has got to be one of the worst developments in American politics. And, for whatever it's worth, every vocal "free speech person" I know doesn't like the current administation. Some people actually just have…

I have yet to see a free speech absolutist express concern about the government and media suppressing Gaza protestors or LGBTQ books being banned or anything else that affects the left. Doesn't seem very principled to me.

I wouldn’t call myself an “absolutist” of anything, except perhaps regarding free political speech. Child porn is pretty much where I draw the line, and frankly even that is a fuzzy line.

I absolutely object to suppressing Gaza protests and banning LGBTQ books, or any other books for that matter.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by DangitBobby »

kleton wrote: post #629
potamic wrote: post #619

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He created fake election campaign posters enticing people to cast their vote via some phone number. I think it's a little disingenuous to say he was jailed for tweeting. It's like saying someone charged with a DUI was charged for "driving their car around".

Chipping away a pillar always starts with something that you can say was a good reason.

Like committing actual crimes tried by a judge and convicted by a jury of his peers? Lol yes truly an indictment of our system.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by kleton »

guelo wrote: post #584
kleton wrote: post #559

I remember when the last administration jailed Douglass Mackey for tweeting

He had a fair trial and a 12 member jury of his peers agreed that he was suppressing the vote.

I have a feeling if the current administration had a problem with your social media posts, maybe you said something about Tesla that they could construe as supporting the current protests and/or vandalism, and similarly venue-shopped for a federal court, say East Texas, (using the U.S. v Mackey precedent to claim jurisdiction because some fiber carrying data might go through it) where the 12 jurors would be on team red, you would not feel like it would be a fair trial if you got convicted.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

slowhadoken wrote: post #622
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #245

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> The Vanguard Group (which all own each other) are private equity firms No, they’re not. (They have private equity arms. Those are not the arms that own e.g. public stock in NBCUniversal.) > Do you work for them as an employee or consultant? No, I never have.

BlackRock, State Street, and the Vanguard Group all own substantial shares in each other. Honestly, I feel like you're not communicating in good faith so have a good day.

> BlackRock, State Street, and the Vanguard Group all own substantial shares in each other

Not relevant to whether they’re private equity firms.

Large institutional asset managers own shares in everything publicly traded. For most of their funds, they don’t vote and have no choice as to what they buy or sell. They can’t threaten to sell because they don’t like something because that isn’t how index funds work.

They also run discretionary funds, but those funds aren’t the ones that have large holdings in either each other nor TV media outlets.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by DangitBobby »

totallymike wrote: post #247

See this other HN thread for concrete examples of how the climate is currently fucked. I genuinely can’t tell if the commenters are trying to be satirical, but the point seems moot. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43506657

I think you linked the wrong thread, this one is about DOGE.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by DangitBobby »

kleton wrote: post #634
guelo wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had a fair trial and a 12 member jury of his peers agreed that he was suppressing the vote.

I have a feeling if the current administration had a problem with your social media posts, maybe you said something about Tesla that they could construe as supporting the current protests and/or vandalism, and similarly venue-shopped for a federal court, say East Texas, (using the U.S. v Mackey precedent to claim jurisdiction because some fiber carrying data might go through it) where the 12 jurors would be on team r…

Do you think trying to mislead people with fake signs and numbers so their vote doesn't get counted is a thing people should be allowed to do by law? What about fraud?

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by grandempire »

magicalist wrote: post #369
grandempire wrote: post #315

If the signal story mattered they would lead with the content of the messages. Perhaps they would not even reveal the method of the info was obtained. Since the story is reversed, and the public is not talking about what is said, I'm guessing nothing happened.

> they would lead with the content of the messages They did, but with some information only described, but then they were called liars so they released the content that showed those accusing them of lying were in fact lying. > Perhaps they would not even reveal the method of the info was obtained The idiocy that led to them obtaining the info was very much part of the story.

> The idiocy that led to them obtaining the info was very much part of the story.

Yep. It’s the whole story.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by mdale »

barfingclouds wrote: post #252
dclowd9901 wrote: post #202

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Well, if you look at it from the perspective of faithless reporting like that from Fox News and Newsmax, the information pipeline has been selling a narrative that the left has been on an authoritarian tear since Obama. The newscasts are chilling: every one of them for more than two decades has taken a position that the left is an existential threat to the United States. With that kind of context, it's really no wond…

The left has been authoritarian. Rewind the clock to 2018, and speak your mind freely on a college campus and at some point you’ll say something that makes you lose your job. That’s one of many examples of the left being actually authoritarian. I’m not saying two wrongs make a right and I’m not justifying the current administration. But if we look to how we got here, that’s a lot of why, if not mostly why.

I think it's fair to call out a action reaction flow that got us here; but if we can't see we have swag into something far more destructive to free speech as the article outlines; I don't count this as intellectual honest discussion.

We are past the point of "everyone has their perspective on this" right and left have their own version of this etc. The system that protected people's right to have different opinions is being dismantled.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by kleton »

DangitBobby wrote: post #637
kleton wrote: post #634

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling if the current administration had a problem with your social media posts, maybe you said something about Tesla that they could construe as supporting the current protests and/or vandalism, and similarly venue-shopped for a federal court, say East Texas, (using the U.S. v Mackey precedent to claim jurisdiction because some fiber carrying data might go through it) where the 12 jurors would be on team r…

Do you think trying to mislead people with fake signs and numbers so their vote doesn't get counted is a thing people should be allowed to do by law? What about fraud?

As a juror, I would expect such a trial to at least be able to produce a single victim that could testify on the stand that they got deceived before I would vote guilty.
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