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They wouldn't even be able to. WA is end-to-end encrypted.
WhatsApp is closed source. They could backdoor it if they wanted to (or were forced to).
And so in Apple and iOS. What is your point?
Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
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The smartphone platform is the most secure by default personal computer most people own, largely because of the control enforced by Apple.
If we are saying "secure", we should talk about what we are securing and against whom. A smartphone may be secure against malicious individual actors but its certainly not the most secure when it comes to your private data. Modern day smartphone is designed to maximize capturing your private information like location, communication patterns, activity and (sometimes) health information and pass it on to as many privat…
Plenty of people access their health records, etc. on a PC via files downloaded to random places on their computer. Are you trying to just say smartphones have a lot of sensors and are carried around in intimate places?
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And that's why it is so important to nip this "pedo" / "think of the children" crap right in the bud. Obviously pedos on the interwebs are bad, but hey as long as it's just anime they're whacking off to I don't care too much. But the real abuse, that's done by - especially in the UK - rich and famous people like Jimmy Savile. And you're not gonna catch these pedos with banning encryption, that's a fucking smokescreen…
> But the real abuse, that's done by - especially in the UK - rich and famous people like Jimmy Savile Jimmy Savile was a vile predator. He was protected by the inane customs of the British ruling class. He was not alone among the toffs of England. But do not be mistaken. It is not just the rich and powerful where you find sexual predators. They exist at all levels of society, all genders, most ages (I will except in…
Jimmy Saville was many things, but I don’t think he was a toff. His ability to abuse was about power, and perhaps gender, but not class.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#634I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.
On our continent, the obvious solution to every problem under the sun is "more state".
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#635Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…
It's not literacy. They don't care. They need control, and if establishing control means increased risks for you, it's not something they see as a negative factor. It's your problem, not theirs.
Agreed.
I used to think it was illiteracy, but when you hear politicians talk about this you realise more often than not they're not completely naive and can speak to the concerns people have, but fundamentally their calculation here is that privacy doesn't really matter that much and when your argument for not breaking encryption based around the right to privacy you're not going to convince them to care.
You see a similar thing in the UK (and Europe generally) with freedom of speech. Politicians here understand why freedom of speech is important and why people some oppose blasphemy laws, but that doesn't mean you can just burn a bible in the UK without being arrested for a hate crime because fundamentally our politicians (and most people in the UK) believe freedom from offence is more important than freedom of speech.
When values are misaligned (safety > privacy) you can't win arguments by simply appealing to the importance of privacy or freedom of speech. UK values are very authoritarian these days.
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That’s literally what the feature they’re removing did.
Not exactly. It generates the keys for you and stores them on device in the Secure Enclave. You cannot "bring your own" encryption key, but the primary benefit of doing so--that Apple does not have access to it--is intentionally accomplished anyway by the implementation.
I’m not sure I appreciate the value of literally bringing your own keys. My device generating them on my behalf as part of a setup process seems sufficient. You’d use openssl or something and defer to software to actually do keygen no matter what.
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> technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. That's an awfully generous assessment on your part. Kindly explain just what "technical literacy" has to do with the formulation you note. From here it reads like you are misdirecting and clouding the -intent- by the powerful here. Also does ERIC SCHMIDT an accompli…
I feel like the comment was clear, technical illiteracy leads politicians to believe that they'll be the only ones with access to this backdoor, which isn't true.
The comment's clarity was not questioned. You are passing around the same tired line that because politicians do not understand technology and how it can be used against anyone. Sure computers are new but communication technology is not. All a politician needs to understand is "capability". That is it. "We can read their communications", no degree in CS required. Also, they have power geeks advising them left and right. They know "capabilities" can be misused. They know this.
Is this clear?
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#638Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like the comment was clear, technical illiteracy leads politicians to believe that they'll be the only ones with access to this backdoor, which isn't true.
The comment's clarity was not questioned. You are passing around the same tired line that because politicians do not understand technology and how it can be used against anyone. Sure computers are new but communication technology is not. All a politician needs to understand is "capability". That is it. "We can read their communications", no degree in CS required. Also, they have power geeks advising them left and rig…
>> Kindly explain just what "technical literacy" has to do with the formulation you note.
>> Thank you in advance for clarifying your thought process here.
> The comment's clarity was not questioned.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#639Earlier quoted context omitted.
And that's why it is so important to nip this "pedo" / "think of the children" crap right in the bud. Obviously pedos on the interwebs are bad, but hey as long as it's just anime they're whacking off to I don't care too much. But the real abuse, that's done by - especially in the UK - rich and famous people like Jimmy Savile. And you're not gonna catch these pedos with banning encryption, that's a fucking smokescreen…
> But the real abuse, that's done by - especially in the UK - rich and famous people like Jimmy Savile Jimmy Savile was a vile predator. He was protected by the inane customs of the British ruling class. He was not alone among the toffs of England. But do not be mistaken. It is not just the rich and powerful where you find sexual predators. They exist at all levels of society, all genders, most ages (I will except in…
Honestly if the UK wants to reduce sexual crimes against children and adults one of the easiest ways to achieve that would be to reform UK liable law.
In the UK if you're raped by someone famous you'd be an utter idiot to say anything unless you're loaded or have a massive amount of hard evidence. You couldn't have a me to movement in the UK because everyone who came forward would be sued into bankruptcy. This is why so many people knew about Savile but no one said anything.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#640Many people might not be aware of it, but Apple publishes a breakdown of the number of government requests for data that it receives, broken down by country. The number of UK requests has ballooned in recent years: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/gb.html#:~:text=77%... Much of this is likely related to the implementation and automation of the US-UK data access agreement pursuant to the CLOUD Act, which has s…
I don't share your findings, EVERY six-month period between January 2014 - June 2017 shows bigger requests than any six-month period in the last 5 years.