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U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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I'll be explicit: russia is a terrorist state. Majority of russian population supports the unprovoked genocidal war it currently wages on Ukraine.

Russia is no more terrorist state, than USA is. That was USA scorched Vietnam. That was USA killing civilians in Iraq and Afganistan. That was USA overthrowing foreign goverments, including Ukrainian... And then it preached to Russia on what to do with neighboring states...

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Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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You're assuming that turning off ADP in the U.K. is sufficient to appease the British Government. The Investigatory Powers Act can also be interpreted to give the U.K. the right to ask for encrypted data from users outside of the U.K. (see Apple making this exact point in a filing here [1].) Turning off ADP in the U.K. doesn't end the controversy if that's what's at stake. [1] https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.b…

It creates a nasty precedent doesn't it? If Apple can provide the UK government with foreign data, what's to stop Russia or China making them provide data on UK minister's phones, or more likely dissidents in exile? I can't see on what basis the government thinks they're going to get to be exceptional here?

What if Apple just stops operating in the UK? They could start selling "English language" iPhones in France, let people go on a day trip if they wanted to buy them. There are ways of sidestepping this bullshit if you're an international company. Supposing they have any integrity, I mean. How far will the UK double down?

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Green bubble is messages you sent via SMS (and so may have been charged by your carrier depending on your cellular plan) Blue bubble is messages you sent via iMessage. All incoming messages are grey, regardless of whether they were sent to you via SMS or iMessage.

> and so may have been charged by your carrier depending on your cellular plan I don't know of any UK plan that charges.

Try sending an image on green.

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post #526

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I'll be explicit: russia is a terrorist state. Majority of russian population supports the unprovoked genocidal war it currently wages on Ukraine.

Are you the speaker for the majority of the population? Or is that claim based on the election results, in a state where opposition leaders, journalists, war critics, or even simple lesbians get jailed for said “crimes”?

Like any generalizing claim, mine has exceptions.

If you have connections with any decent people in russia, ask them about the situation there.

> simple lesbians get jailed for said “crimes”

That's exactly the point.

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From the macrumors thread: > So much for personal liberties. I'd like to give Labour the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a holdover from the last government knowing how fast the civil service actually works but given the Tory 3.0 plan they are going with I wouldn't put it passed them. >We didn't vote for this. You very much did vote for this, you voted for Labour under Keir Starmer and he did not particularly…

Yeah yeah vote for the other clowns next time, they'll definitely roll back these totalitarian policies :)

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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The US is the only country with codified freedoms from the government. Every other country has rights given by the government to their citizens. The US may suck every now and then, but the US constitution is one of the best things in human history. It protects us from governments like the UK that don't think they have any limits to control their citizens.

The US Constitution also guarantees birthright citizenship, but that doesn't mean the government will actually respect that right. The US Constitution only holds as long as people are willing to defend it.

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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The extraterritorial effect of the law is profoundly troubling, especially the prohibition on revealing the existence of the Technical Capability Notice. However, Apple would almost certainly be subject to lawsuits in the US and EU if it secretly added a backdoor to iCloud Advanced Data Protection, because doing so would violate their privacy policy and would likely give rise to fraud claims. They could kill iCloud Advanced Data Protection entirely, or they could add a backdoor and say there is a backdoor, but they could not, without being exposed to liability, secretly add a backdoor while simultaneously claiming that the data is end-to-end encrypted and nobody other than the user can access the data.

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be explicit: russia is a terrorist state. Majority of russian population supports the unprovoked genocidal war it currently wages on Ukraine.

Russia is no more terrorist state, than USA is. That was USA scorched Vietnam. That was USA killing civilians in Iraq and Afganistan. That was USA overthrowing foreign goverments, including Ukrainian... And then it preached to Russia on what to do with neighboring states...

USA did a lot of nasty things. But since WW2, it did not invade other countries with explicit intent to annex them and forcibly assimilate their population.

Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts

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As Apple isn’t based in the UK and owes no fealty to their government. I don’t agree that your citation is relevant here. Apple is a US company. Bribing local officials to overlook the gay founder is sensible corporate practices, however uncomfortable that is to consider. Revoking privacy guarantees globally, reversing years of public opinion gains overnight, is not. The UK cannot do anything to materially harm Apple…

> As Apple isn’t based in the UK and owes no fealty to their government Apple isn't based in China, they owe nothing to them either. Apple's willingness to backdoor and modify their services for actual authoritarianism is well[0] documented[1], at no point did they ever threaten to leave the respective markets. Every single spectator knows that Apple leaving these markets would be an admission of guilt. > Bribing loc…

One thing of note in those other cases is that they only required Apple to comply wrt its customers in the jurisdiction of the country in question. So in China, everything is backdoored, but it doesn't affect users elsewhere.

In this case, the claim is that UK wants global backdoors, so Apple cannot comply quite so easily.

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