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Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by carcostthrow »

revscat wrote: post #607
carcostthrow wrote: post #602

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> I lived in a rural location and now in suburbs and still never had any issues, even 4 years ago when there were far fewer chargers. Here is a map of the level 2+ chargers in the country: As he said, different circumstances can shift the solution point. What you have someone that doesn't have a data plan on their phone, or doesn't carry a smartphone and thus doesn't have access to a mapping app? Or the charge point…

> A Tesla Model 3 at the same level insurance would could me $6014 a year before taxes. I find that incredibly difficult to believe. According to [1], the average cost to insure a Model 3 is $2500, which tracks with what I am paying. Who quoted you $6k/year? [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/vehicles/tesla/...

TD Insurance and Intact as well as a from an insurance broker.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by speed_spread »

cyberax wrote: post #572
grepfru_it wrote: post #560

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Ford will track your entire drive, how you used your car, even the radio station that was playing. All of this data is uploaded when you take your car in for servicing if you do not have a connected car. OnStar recently (2-3 years ago now?) started feeding 100gbps of telematics data on every single GM car back to GM in an effort to determine better pricing on used cars. Data includes every sensor change on the car an…

Eh, and so what? My phone carrier has most of this info. Google has most of this info (in addition to my emails). Ford is in for rude awakening if they think that this data is going to seriously help them.

We're telling you this is a multibillion dollar business that's transforming the world around you. You may choose to ignore or downplay it, but it won't change the facts. Even If you're paying for something you may not be the primary customer anymore since there's more money to be made from tracking you than from selling you stuff.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by fomine3 »

tnel77 wrote: post #259
leetharris wrote: post #225

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Just like how Samsung beat Apple to face scanning technology. Mercedes version is extremely limited and is only available on $100k+ cars with tons of additional hardware. I have Tesla FSD. It is certainly overpriced, but it has genuinely been getting a lot better in the last year. When I first got it I was disappointed because it was so useless, now I use it probably 70%+ of my drives. IMO Tesla is the closest to a m…

There’s a huge subset of people who just desperately want to “prove” that the popular company is bad. Apple bad, Tesla bad, etc.

Because fanboys are too verbose for hype

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by brightball »

javier_e06 wrote: post #458

I am an EV user. My connection is not Tesla compatible. I wish the government would prod manufacturers to create a common connection for all EVs the same way there is a common gas intake for all gas powered vehicles.

IMO the market is too new and there’s more room for innovation here. At the point that EVs can be charged in less than 5 minutes, I’d be on board with standardizing.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by isykt »

Jolter wrote: post #566
isykt wrote: post #530

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If any of those conditions are true, why not wait until 2025 when the charging connection is settled?

What would I drive until then?

If it were me, and I absolutely needed a new car and did not want to get an ICE vehicle, I would lease something until the 2025 conversion is complete. The value of an EV with a nonstandard charger is going to drop precipitously at that point.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by sangnoir »

iknowstuff wrote: post #609
sangnoir wrote: post #513

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Their agreements with Tesla are not public, so it's hard to tell what the benefits are. You say "everyone" is switching, but it's only American companies that have pledged to switch to NACS from CCS (so far), I don't think 3 for 3 is a coincidence. Also unlikely to be coincidental is the fact that Tesla "opened up" its charging patents/specs to competitors [1] in 2014 - but only signed its first partner in 2023, a fe…

Those 4 represent like 80-90% of EVs in the US

> Those 4 represent like 80-90% of EVs in the US

I don't doubt they'd like it to remain that way. Starving CCS charging networks of federal dollars that are be relied upon by Japanese, German and Korean manufacturers would be a win for US manufacturers; expanding a Tesla-moat into a US-manufacturer moat. Tesla gets federal dollars, control the standard and keeps its hungriest competitors at bay who most threaten its margins; Ford, GM and Rivian get access to a large network and protection from foreign competition by being invited into the fort.

Cartel-like behaviour is notoriously self-emergent.

Insidiously, this arrangement might even get the US government to look the other way if it is American car companies vs. everyone else despite the original assumption being that CCS networks would get most/all of the federal funds.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

neon_electro wrote: post #619
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #587

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As someone who has only ever used J1772/CCS, can you explain a bit more? I mean, it's just a plug that I stick into my car - I find the newer US home AC electric outlets with the automatic "safety shutters" harder to plug into than a CCS connector, so I don't really understand what friction you're referring to.

As someone else with 5+ years driving EVs with a CCS plug, they work for me, but I can see them being much more unwieldy for physically challenged folks. The Tesla connector is easier to manipulate and line up correctly with the charge port.

Ultimately it's going to boil down to money. Having DC and AC charging share the same conductors makes the plug cables cheaper. That adds up when deploying and maintaining a charger network.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by fomine3 »

V__ wrote: post #379

Why are these automakers pushing to adopt Teslas solution, which isn't standardized or open, instead of creating a new CCS3? I can't imagine NACS to ever be adopted in the EU, so why the additional complexity?

It's happy to avoid xkcd:standards

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Post by iknowstuff »

perfectstorm wrote: post #471
mattmaroon wrote: post #467

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Seems like it’s happening without government intervention. It’s hard to imagine now that Ford, GM, and Tesla are on the same standard that the rest will not follow suit.

Volkswagen owns Electrify America the only competitor at scale to Tesla's supercharging network. they uses CCS and VW is one of the largest car manufacturers in the world. i think they can stand on their own. time will tell though.

They can’t compete with Tesla’s manufacturing and operational prowess. Their stations are money pits.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by iknowstuff »

meragrin_ wrote: post #630
perfectstorm wrote: post #471

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Volkswagen owns Electrify America the only competitor at scale to Tesla's supercharging network. they uses CCS and VW is one of the largest car manufacturers in the world. i think they can stand on their own. time will tell though.

> Volkswagen owns Electrify America the only competitor at scale to Tesla's supercharging network. The only car manufacturer with a competitive charging network or only competitor period? ChargePoint seems better than Tesla my area. Most of the Tesla stations in this area require a hotel stay to charge.

Those are not fast charging stations, they’re L2 destination chargers.
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