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Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Taking a friend's address in inner Copenhagen (a cheap place as she's a student), she has 4 supermarkets within 5 minutes walk (400m). Taking a different friend's address in the suburbs, he has 3 supermarkets within a 10 minute walk (800m). In the city centre, there are 10 supermarkets within a 5 minute walk. The supermarkets in the city centre are smaller, and have a relatively limited range, although in practise I…

I totally agree with all comments in favor of the European way. I just have to add something: > The supermarkets in the city centre are smaller Then maybe they are not actually supermarkets, instead small markets or grocery stores?

Two in the city centre are small enough that, if they were my nearest shop, I might not use them for most shopping. The proportion of ready-to-eat or ready-to-cook food (for workers / commuters) is too high, meaning there's less range of meat/fish/vegetables. I think the shop name is even a diminutive version of the normal supermarket to account for this.

Otherwise, I am not sure where to draw the line between a grocery and a supermarket.

It used to be that groceries were smaller shops with fewer categories of goods and less range within those categories -- they didn't sell toiletries, or light bulbs, or paper plates, or socks. Rice came in white and brown.

But around 10 years ago the large supermarkets started to take over shops this size, except with the same building they can use more floor space for retail. Their well-run logistics means they can deliver to them every day or two, so the smaller shop doesn't need a large stock room to maintain a wide range. Therefore, the smaller/independent general grocery businesses have mostly gone, but I can choose from perhaps 8-10 kinds of rice, compared to the 16-20 they have at the largest stores. The 8-10 kinds will be varied according to the area.

I do 80% of my shopping at one of these shops, 15% at another one (when I fancy a change, or walk home a different way), and less than 5% at a supermarket large enough to sell toasters, toys, televisions and t-shirts.

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I enjoy watching a couple of shows about home renovations that take place in the US (some twin brothers and love or list it, or something like that). Two things always strike me as odd as an European: * People on that show always needs a shit load of space. Especially in the kitchens, for some reason. Sometimes they are a couple without kids or maybe have one kid but they want 2 ovens? And a huge island is a must. Mo…

Do Europeans not cook all that much? I imagine most suburban US families cook most of their meals, both for cost reasons and because taking children to a restaurant is viewed as a chore here. Even without kids, my partner and I try to cook often. We have a decent-sized kitchen by urban US standards (it would probably be considered on the small side if we lived in the suburbs), but could still stand to have more count…

I would guess Europeans cook more than Americans, since the average disposable income is less in Europe. Beyond that, I'm unwilling to generalize over Europe. HN people are unlikely to be typical on either continent.

I do know a European with two ovens. It's very unusual, but they really like cooking. Even so, they only use the second oven rarely -- perhaps roasting meat in one, and baking in the other. The additional oven was installed after seeing two ovens in a kitchen on a trip to the USA.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Do Europeans not cook all that much? I imagine most suburban US families cook most of their meals, both for cost reasons and because taking children to a restaurant is viewed as a chore here. Even without kids, my partner and I try to cook often. We have a decent-sized kitchen by urban US standards (it would probably be considered on the small side if we lived in the suburbs), but could still stand to have more count…

I personally don’t cook but luckily for me my girlfriend loves it, and even though we have a decent kitchen now that we bought a place, she seemed to do fine in smaller kitchens. And I’ve never met anyone with 2 ovens. And even though kitchens are way smaller than in the US (or at least the average one in those shows), another difference is that we have the washer in the kitchen (almost no one has a drier though, and…

Putting the washing machine in the kitchen is just a result of limited space.

Houses in Britain with enough space will put it a different room, often called a utility room, scullery or laundry room. That would be difficult to find in London.

(Apartments in Denmark will put it in the bathroom, since the building regulations require a floor drain in case of leaks.)

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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South Florida, Central Florida, East & West Coast. For about 15 years

This wasn't intended as a gotcha, or anything, I was just honestly curious what informed your experience. I lived in Tampa for ~10 years, and found it to be a pretty decent city in general, though with the usual southern caveats of public transit being non-existent and the sprawl being excessive.

Once you get past the angry drivers, random chickens, Ybor, rush hour, crime, etc, the main problem with cities like Tampa is they are just soulless. It's like someone paved over the entire world and installed palm trees and Jamba Juices and nothing else. Everyone is angry, everything is boring and expensive. But if all you want to do is sit inside and look at a screen, you'll almost never notice.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Can you elaborate or provide examples?

Just saying the risk of covid for kids is so low it’s comparable to lots of other activities parents have no problem with

Not true, but sure I understand where you are coming from.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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It’s easier than you think, the barriers are actually all in your own mind.

Pretty sure they're mostly in the wallet.

It's a lot easier than you think. If you made up your mind, then ok, think what you want, but for the rest of the people who are reading this thread: trust me, it's much more doable than you think.

Honestly, the barriers are not so great, and definitely finances are not at the top of the list of things to overcome. Without giving any numbers it's not clear what is required to be secure, but it also depends a lot on where you live.

That being said, I'd say language acquisition is more important than having a lot of money. Once you have enough money to reach escape velocity - again, this is personal, so I couldn't say what it is - more money doesn't really matter and just makes it more likely that you'd lose it because it's an easy button.

Language acquisition and learning how to meet new people are far more important, but fortunately they're free! (almost)

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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It’s a little hard to go you a specific answer as it’s highly personal but the pandemic is also highly local. Europe is hard with the pandemic because it’s crowded in the main towns and cities, and a little colder than the USA. In smaller places the virus is much much less severe than you think. That being said, I think the impact of the virus will diminish with the combination of vaccines as well as the virus contin…

>Anyway, speculation aside, there’s also quality of life to consider. A lot of other places in the world really emphasize this. Ok feel free to give me some. I'd like to know the COL in these places as well. A lot people here tend to complain about the US but are living in ridiculous high cost coastal areas and are unaware of more affordable options. Most of them are willingly sacrificing QOL because they refuse to c…

First, I'll say that the USA enjoys an absurd quality of life - but only in some aspects.

Infrastructure, transparency, and just shit working is really amazing in the USA. Plus, access to USA markets is incredible. Being able to have same day delivery of groceries is mind blowing to people abroad. So, I really consider all of it, not just roads and bridges, as part of our 'infrastructure' and it's really good in the USA.

That being said, there are a lot of things that money can't buy, and culture is one of those things that's virtually priceless. It just takes time to develop. I don't mean to imply the USA doesn't have culture, of course it does, but it doesn't have X, or Y, or Z country's cultures.

I stayed in Mexico for about 11 months for example and I can honestly say I just 'felt' happier. Yes, sometimes I was super pissed because everything was broken: sometimes there's not water, power is constantly browning out (I really mean on a continuous basis), and the government in the south of mexico can be a mess. These kinds of things get perpetuated and affect the citizens as well over generations... yet still, Mexican culture was amazing and I enjoyed my quality of life there.

This is unfortunately something that's hard to put into numbers, but obviously there are proxies for it like the numbeo list in this thread. It's a personal subject though ultimately, because it's a qualitative assessment, so that's why I hesitated to "speculate", but thanks for asking :-)

That being said, I'm now in Italy and I got to say I like it even more here. Northern Italy in so many ways has the best that all of Europe has to offer. You can basically drink the alps on tap, any where you go, people are super duper smart, kind, hilarious, passionate, and then there's the food and all that other stuff. It's a lot more expensive here (for reference one could live easily in the south of mexico, like Oaxaca City, for about $500 USD if they wanted or $800 USD if they didn't feel like messing around with finding an affordable place), but it's also much cheaper than living in San Francisco was, and again the quality of life is much higher.

I actually think in general professionals will reach a point in the USA where they'll start spreading out, just like this article says, but it won't be limited to domestic destinations. Other countries, with aging populations, will start to attract these people, and they'll go abroad and start businesses and families. This is how the world has always worked. Italy for example was the pinnacle of the world now 2 times in history, they're kind of used to it, but the USA is just beginning its journey.

Sorry, that was probably a little meandering, bear with me, but hopefully that's satisfactory? I'm totally happy to talk more, I'm just not sure what people are interested in hearing, if anything haha. Ok have a nice day everyone.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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Spaniard here. If the most powerful country in the world can't manage that at federal level, then the US is broken from its roots.

USA is first and foremost a federation of relatively free countries, most legislation is at state level and it works in a way like EU with an integrated military. The major difference is they used to have freedom to choose healthcare, it is not forced like in EU (ex: in my country 10% of your income is paid as healthcare tax and you can be treated in state owned hospitals when there is a place available; note there i…

While I'd love to see some stats supporting the quantity and severity of laws we live under by each level of government, most of our taxes going to federal doesn't seem to support your assertion.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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My family and I decided to stay on the north side of Chicago, a very high cost of living location, despite no longer needing to head downtown every day for work. Why not move outside of Chicago where our cost living would be substantially lower? * We wanted to keep our kids in the same school, which is walking distance. * We like being walking distance to the grocery store, doctor's offices, etc. * Our kids can walk…

I enjoy watching a couple of shows about home renovations that take place in the US (some twin brothers and love or list it, or something like that). Two things always strike me as odd as an European: * People on that show always needs a shit load of space. Especially in the kitchens, for some reason. Sometimes they are a couple without kids or maybe have one kid but they want 2 ovens? And a huge island is a must. Mo…

A kitchen much like a server is designed for peak use, not average use. having the space to prep and cook thanksgiving for the extended family or host a party is valuable even if you need maybe half of it on most days.

Re: Americans are rethinking where they want to live

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If you keep perpetuating flamewars like this on HN we will ban you. We've had to ask you about this a lot, and it's seriously not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

First: It's fair for you to call me on the carpet for this one. Second, though: "We've had to ask you about this a lot"? I recall exactly one other time in eight years that you have done so. I recognize that I'm just begging for the man with the database to expose the flaws in my memory, but... I really don't recall any more than that one other time.

Here's what I found, though to be honest I thought there were more, because I recognize your username as one that does this sort of thing a lot. Would you please stop that and be a better citizen of this place?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27477147 (June 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22272727 (Feb 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20072367 (June 2019)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19936285 (May 2019)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16103742 (Jan 2018)

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