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Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

bogwog wrote: post #630
52-6F-62 wrote: post #597

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Google is involved in Epic's dispute with Apple? I'm sorry, but I haven't seen that anywhere. Could you clarify?

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21368363/epic-google-fort... Epic is suing Google at the same time for the same reason as Apple. Maybe they're not "involved" if you mean that Apple and Google are colluding against Epic, but they're both the subjects of the same discussion.

How can it be for the same reason? Google allows side-loading and third-party app stores.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by bogwog »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #631
bogwog wrote: post #630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21368363/epic-google-fort... Epic is suing Google at the same time for the same reason as Apple. Maybe they're not "involved" if you mean that Apple and Google are colluding against Epic, but they're both the subjects of the same discussion.

How can it be for the same reason? Google allows side-loading and third-party app stores.

Read the article.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by greycol »

m3kw9 wrote: post #574
greycol wrote: post #401

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I agree, it's just like when I put in a contract with my employees that they're not allowed to talk about their salaries. If they talk about their salaries then boom! Fired! Or when I put in the contract tips go straight to the business. You don't put your tips in at the end of the night, Boom! Fired! You can't expect me to keep you employed if you don't follow the contract. Hell I've even had some of them come up to…

You can also make the exaggerated example if you look at someone the wrong way you get fired for harassment. The point is your analogies is not even close to what is happening in the Apple vs Epic case

Literally the backbone of Epic's case is the terms that Epic are breaking are illegal and so can not be enforced.

The case would have been dismissed as having no merit if this was not at least in question.

The US and EU are looking into Apple as breaching anti trust rules and you are honestly saying that for you these aren't even close:

Employee ignores contract terms they know to be illegal, gets punished for it because boss doesn't think it's illegal, employee takes boss to court.

and

Epic ignores contract terms they know to be illegal, gets punished for it because Apple doesn't think it's illegal, Epic takes Apple to court.

?

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by nodamage »

modeless wrote: post #622
nodamage wrote: post #621

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I'm not sure you actually understand the issue, it's not simply a question of terminology. Whether consumer harm exists or not is a question to be determined during the trial, not before.

The question will be decided during the trial, but the evidence is gathered before.

You seem to think if Epic fails to prove consumer harm exists, that their case will not survive summary judgement? This is not true.

What Epic needs to do to survive summary judgement is to present a trialable claim that injury to competition has occurred. The trial itself will then determine whether the claim is accurate not.

I still don't think Fortnite being in or out of the App Store makes a difference to Epic's case. If Epic's theory of Apple's behavior is correct, then they have a winning case regardless of whatever happened to Fortnite specifically.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by [deleted] »

dang wrote: post #629
butterisgood wrote: post #527

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My point is your perception is YOUR problem - not those who use something for their own benefit. Also fuck your opinion of anyone using A Mac. Seriously. Fuck off.

Whoa. This kind of comment isn't cool here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by lolsal »

drenvuk wrote: post #587
lolsal wrote: post #581

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> This would all go away if Apple simply made it a setting to allow other IPAs It's not that simple. Right now when I look at the apps on my phone, I have a very, very high confidence that they are not malware. It's not 100% though - right? Because I have to trust some entity. I choose to trust Apple. If apple opens up side loading of apps, I have _much less_ confidence that when I look at my phone, the apps are not…

In every single one of your responses you've omitted the possibility of there being an option for people to run sideloaded apps while allowing you the ability to stay in Apple's safe embrace. Just like you say "we can use Android" why can't we say "you can just stay on the app store"?

You're not understanding what I'm saying; I'm not communicating the point well enough.

The fact that is impossible to side load apps is a feature to me. If Apple enables you and others to side load apps, it removes a feature and something I value.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by lolsal »

drenvuk wrote: post #589
lolsal wrote: post #579

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> Ultimately, you can only say that this case has no value to you if you can reason that there is no way that it will make things better for you, and that's a very tough thing to prove without a crystal ball :) You're inverting the relationship. These things have value because I don't have to care about side loading garbage IPAs or devs injecting malware, etc. etc. I don't care about sone random developer's "improvem…

Are you even a developer? Do you have any technical background past HTML and js?

Yes. I've been in software for just over 20 years, in the network security sector for the last 7. Did you have a point to present or just an attempted attack on me personally?

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by lolsal »

grumple wrote: post #594
lolsal wrote: post #580

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> As an Apple user, I think you’re crazy. It being locked down is the worst part about it and the main reason I’m considering moving off Apple in the future. If it makes you feel any better, I have never, ever, felt "locked down" in the Apple ecosystem. We must live very different lives because I never think about my phone - I think about messaging people, sending emails, looking something up on the web, getting dire…

> scummy devs like Epic What makes them scummy? They want to make money without paying Apple's 30% (for what? hosting the app would cost Epic very little, payment processing costs > side-loading malware because it's cool, or jailbreaking so I can put drop shadows on random things The whole point is that you shouldn't need to side-load or jail-break anything. You can put any app you want on your pc or linux machine. A…

> What makes them scummy?

Breaking the TOS

> They want to make money without paying Apple's 30%

Too bad, that's what it costs to play in the Apple ecosystem.

> (for what? hosting the app would cost Epic very little, payment processing costs Surely you think there is more to the management and delivery of app bundles to millions of people, right? You're reducing the value provided by the App Store too a ridiculous level.

> The whole point is that you shouldn't need to side-load or jail-break anything.

I agree! I don't need either of those things.

> You can put any app you want on your pc or linux machine. And no, we aren't all operating with tons of malware on those machines.

Great, keep up the good work.

> Do you pay for any apps? Wouldn't them costing 20% less bring you value in a very literal, "more money in your bank account" sense?

Not if the cost is letting more garbage from Epic/EA/Origin/Zynga/whatever into the App Store and on my device.

> This is simply not true. It's not a matter of opinion, there are fewer steps/fields to fill out and less time involved in deploying an Android app.

How is it not a matter of opinion? If I counted the number of clicks/fields/pages/panels/etc for getting an app onto an Android or Apple device, my anecdotal experience tells me that it's about half the effort to distribute an Apple app. But anyway, this metric is silly and ultimately doesn't matter to me so I'm not going to argue with you about it anymore.

> Android also charges less.

Cool; I see about 2-3x more money on iOS apps vs their Android ports. The difference in the $99 vs the $25 is made up in no time and it's a rounding error to any enterprise listing apps.

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