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Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by dominotw »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #608
dominotw wrote: post #559

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why would the article say otherwise though? it literally says they accused him.

To be more clear: the women did not approach the police with the intention of them pursuing any allegations about sexual assault. The accusation was made by police after hearing the context around the women's request. So while the women communicated circumstances that the police interpreted as sexual assault, it was not their direct accusation

> the women did not approach the police with the intention of them pursuing any allegations about sexual assault.

I don't understand what were their intentions then. Its hard to fathom for me as to why someone wouldn't pursue criminal allegation against a person who raped them. Really bizzare.

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Post by seppin »

pixelbash wrote: post #548
jki275 wrote: post #474

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Seriously, if you all believe everywhere else in the world is so much better, why stay? For context, I'm married to a person from a real developing country, as it's actually defined. I'm sending multiple family members to school there so they can get out. Every single person in her family has done everything they can to get out. Every single person I know there has done everything they can to get out. Every single pe…

I live in New Zealand with family in the UK. I have spent the last 10 years flying the other way around the planet instead of via LA because the airports are worse than places like Malaysia. I can't speak to living in the USA but I have lived in Milawe and Fiji, and honestly being poor is definitely bad but some of the stuff happening in the US is a whole other kind of dystopian terrifying.

Are you honestly basing your opinion of a country on an airport?

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Post by stale2002 »

nemo wrote: post #610
stale2002 wrote: post #586

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But.... He literally has an extradition order out for him right now. He was right. His opinions on extradition were proven correct. How can you ignore the literal evidence, right here, right now, of everything that he had predicted, to be coming true?

There is no evidence of an extradition order from the US at the point when Assange first claimed it, and the extradition now is based on Assange being very directly involved with and directing hacks on targets, which is a valid legal justification for extradition. Even if he hadn't lied in claims re: extradition, the current extradition is for credible and serious charges and he should face justice.

But isn't this a bit of a catch 22 though? Do you honestly believe that this situation could have ended any other way, other than him being extradited to the USA?

I am saying, that no matter what happened, whether there was a secret order, or not, or whether an extradition order would have been sent, the moment he stepped out of the embassy (but otherwise did not "exist" prior to him stepping out of the embassy), what was going to happen is that he was going to be extradited to the USA.

And this prediction was proven correct. And the people who disagreed with this idea, owe the world an apology, for being entirely, completely, 100% wrong.

If you disagree, you are basically holding an unfalsifiable position. Because by doing so, you are saying that no matter if he actually gets extradite, like what just happened!, you are going to ignore the actual evidence of this prediction coming true!

It seems like there is no possible evidence or situation that I could show you, which would change your mind, because your argument is always going to be "Well, the order didn't exist before... but it does now".

I can't argue with this kind of unfalsifiable position.

If someone had predicted "this person is going to be extradited to the USA, at some point in the future", then this person was correct, and if you disagree with this person, and called them a conspiracy theorist, then you were wrong.

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Post by seppin »

L_Rahman wrote: post #593
boomboomsubban wrote: post #379

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The United Nations has criticized the US for it's treatment of prisoners in the past, the US just ignores them. It is worth noting that the two million incarcerated are serving sentences for crimes they were convicted of, making it marginally less horrible than Assange's situation.

Assange's living conditions were entirely self inflicted. He could have surrendered himself to the Swedish authorities, undergone a trial and had he served time would have spent time in a prison system known for its humane treatment and low recidivism rates: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/26/prison-swede... I am of course assuming that he wouldn't be extradited to the US, in which case not surrendering…

He also had/has significant mental issues before the matter began.

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Post by colejohnson66 »

joshuamorton wrote: post #580
lyudmil wrote: post #577

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I would urge you to do research to confirm your assertion here. What I described is not a fringe view, it's literally a summary of the Criticism section in the Wikipedia entry for the law in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917#Criticis...

And the response is simple and straightforward: civil disobedience doesn't result in an immunity to consequences.

No one is saying that civil disobedience should be consequence-less. We’re arguing over the legality of the laws one would be breaking and whether they’re just.

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Post by tomc1985 »

jki275 wrote: post #474
seirl wrote: post #396

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Yeah, the "few aspects" like the prison system, healthcare, inequality, corruption, homelessness rates, freedom of the press, air pollution, crime rates, discrimination, police violence, homicide rates, unemployment benefits, social nets...

Seriously, if you all believe everywhere else in the world is so much better, why stay? For context, I'm married to a person from a real developing country, as it's actually defined. I'm sending multiple family members to school there so they can get out. Every single person in her family has done everything they can to get out. Every single person I know there has done everything they can to get out. Every single pe…

> The US is nothing like a developing country.

The US is a big place. Not all of it is paradise. I've heard foreign exchange students from countries like Russia, placed in rural communities like Wyoming or Nebraska, describe the conditions back home as better than where they are placed in the US. I've read books describing the Chicago projects at the height of their badness and then visiting some of the poorest cities in Latin America and seeing parallels.

The US is rich, sure, but that wealth is very heavily concentrated along coastal and border states. Saying the US is "nothing" like a developing country would be a false statement as it doesn't take into account the sheer contrast of livelihoods that we have here.

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Post by octocop »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #569
octocop wrote: post #246

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>Records get lost This could not possibly be a problem anymore?

Why not? In an absolute sense, we probably lose more data now than ever before.

Well i agree with you because more data is produced, but losing forensic evidence data, eye witness testimony data. That type of data won't get lost

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Post by seppin »

vintermann wrote: post #419
papito wrote: post #385

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And in this case, William Barr really doesn't want Assange here, in order to protect his client, Donald J. Trump. And that's why we will not see the extradition to the United States while the Justice Department has been essentially neutered by, what would you call it? Deep State?

I'm more inclined to think Trump's impeachment will be well timed to the date of Assange's extradition. The three letter agencies can live with an erratic president, but not one that might pardon or otherwise protect Assange. (Barr will eventually side with them, not Trump)

> (Barr will eventually side with them, not Trump)

You aren't paying attention very closely.

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Post by corporate_shi11 »

BookmarkSaver wrote: post #620
geofft wrote: post #72

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Er, Assange himself was the press, here. Chelsea Manning was the anonymous whistleblower who tried to keep her identity safe until Adrian Lamo (may God have mercy on his soul, because I sure won't) reported her to US authorities.

>Chelsea Manning was the anonymous whistleblower Manning was a spiteful security leak, not a whistleblower.

Don't forget that we hate the US government here, anyone that does anything to damage it is a hero and anyone that respects it is a menace.

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Post by jacquesm »

Quekid5 wrote: post #547
jki275 wrote: post #521

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No, it doesn't. I know people from developing countries. I'm married to one. Universally, every single one of them wants to get the fuck out, and they do everything in their power to get out. That's reality in a developing country. The US is not in any way like a developing country. Comparing it to one is an act of such entitled privileged whining it's absurd.

> No, it doesn't. I know people from developing countries. I'm married to one. Universally, every single one of them wants to get the fuck out, and they do everything in their power to get out. > That's reality in a developing country. > The US is not in any way like a developing country. Comparing it to one is an act of such entitled privileged whining it's absurd. I think you just argued against your own point? 1)…

++ to use a chess reference.
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