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Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by inigyou »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #407
FireInsight wrote: post #391

If this, or the vibe-coding ban upsets you, you're not the target demographic of Codeberg. It's not a big tent project looking to host all the code in the word, like Github is. It's for principled, quality, open source, community-first software. Look at the explore page to see what that means: https://codeberg.org/explore/repos?q=&only_show_relevant=tru... The entire point of Forgejo, the git forge that Codeberg runs…

Come on, forge federation is a running joke. Nothing happened for years now

And it doesn't need to happen. We used to sign up for an account on every website we wanted to use.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by inigyou »

danpalmer wrote: post #5

Why? Banning abuse is fine, and disliking Cryptocurrency projects at a moral level is fine, but running a coffee hosting service and putting your moral judgements on projects like this just seems childish and unserious. I'm also apparently banned from reading the article, despite having no previous usage of Codeberg or any history with the project, so I can't even see their reasoning.

"Banning abuse is fine"

Reddit bans abuse (defined as not uploading an ID photo), is that fine?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by inigyou »

veeti wrote: post #529
____mr____ wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are a "coffee hosting service" that neutrally hosts code from a variety of perspectives. They do not believe this because this is simply not the reality we live in > Their view is that hosting code is a political act and this is backed by the donations funding Codeberg's operation. They are correct in this view. No matter how "apolitical" platforms like Github an…

Do you also see your local library hosting Mein Kampf as statement of support for fascism on part of the librarian?

I think it's generally understood that people read Mein Kampf because they want to understand Hitler and not because they agree with him.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by inigyou »

iamnothere wrote: post #560
tkel wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, have you ever been part of a directly democratic organization? Not everyone shows up to every meeting or every vote. An organization I was a part of had quorum at 10%.

Did you know that Australia requires everyone to vote in national elections? There are also systems that exist between “legally mandated voting” and “whoever shows up”. You could even set different thresholds based on the importance of the issue! (Decisions like ToS changes would seem to be quite important.)

What about a decision like spam filtering? Is that important?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by inigyou »

stratocumulus0 wrote: post #368
andai wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to find more information about their politics. But all I found was their bylaws and a gay flag. Maybe I'm supposed to read between the lines?

In the left-wing spheres here, terms such as "political act" or "solidarity" are just bloat used to make your message sound more left wing. It's a faux pas not to virtue signal in a way that sounds radical and ensures that it won't affect anyone from outside your bubble as well. An example from recently would be posters for an expensive kinky rave in Berlin offering discounted "solidarity tickets" for refugees, trans…

Are you upset you got door-rejected from a kinky rave in Berlin? Which one?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by inigyou »

iamnothere wrote: post #550
inigyou wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real-world lines are blurry. If you try to define a bright line, someone finds a loophole. Like the other thread (about codeberg banning vibecoded projects) had arguments about whether a project with 49.999% generated code would count. Which is based on a category error - things just don't work that way.

It sounds like Codeberg needs to define both clear guidelines and a systematic process by which potential violations of the policy can be fairly reviewed and/or appealed—table stakes for a system that’s going to be integrated into your project as a hosting provider and community hub. What you seem to be arguing for is seat-of-the-pants reactive mob governance. Functional communities and societies don’t work that way.

It sounds like the process is that if your project is obviously spam, they just delete it and ban you, otherwise they reach out to you first.

Such indkvidualized contact is only possible because Codeberg is relatively small, and not a garbage dump for every code file or spam project.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by inigyou »

fluoridation wrote: post #581
tkel wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every organization has ideological goals. That's what I'm getting at. Sometimes they are unable to recognize it because it's been normalized. What you define as "neutral" is not actually neutral. Such statements are themselves attempts at controlling what is normal/acceptable. The terms of acceptable discussion is context-dependent, but trying to set them at "politics" is contradictory, as I've explained.

To name one easy example, for-profit companies don't have ideological goals. But just for the sake of argument I'll grant it and amend my statement: What is usually meant by "we don't do politics" is that an institution or organization will avoid picking sides on irrelevant political issues. A cat shelter doesn't need to have an official position on abortion to function, and in all likelihood having one would be coun…

Maximizing profit is already an ideological goal. Some companies have others subordinate to it. For example Microsoft is committed to stack ranking, Google is committed to only promoting people who ship new products and then kill them, Apple is committed to each team not knowing what the other is doing so they don't leak it, and Oracle is committed to suing its customers for more money.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by fodkodrasz »

archagon wrote: post #348
fodkodrasz wrote: post #289

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Lobsters is the definition of a toxic community. Here at least you can create a throwaway account to have a controversial opinion. There you need vested invited, and get banned if you post some uncomfortable truth. Been there, done that. Same goes for mastodon.social.

Oh, really? And what uncomfortable truths have you been slinging?

Honestly? I don't remember exactly, something about a software project not being automatically bad for not implementing a code of conduct praising certain sexual deviances (woof)?

I clearly remember why my account with lots of photos was deleted from mastodon.social without warning: There was a poll "Have you donated to the Antifa", two options: no / I'm a fascist. I replied there is some more nuance to the topic, also in some jurisdictions the organization is listed as a terrorist organization, and as such it is illegal to do so, link to an example (us in those days, it was in the news). Well, apart from some nice photos nothing of value was lost, also it was a great lesson why you need to self-host and not rely on "self-moderating communities" or megacorps...

Some taboo of that "community"... much like free healthcare or unionization or illegal migration is slave labour (and class warfare against the working class, including legal migrants and legal guest-workforce) in disguise (was banned from a VC funded SV echo-chamber for this opinion) are taboos of this "community".

Guess I'm an extremist... or just Eastern-European.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Cider9986 »

cyberax wrote: post #615
Cider9986 wrote: post #613

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If you don't care about privacy, then state your address, bank account balance, phone number, family members, and post photos of the inside of your house. Monero protects some of that information. It's a human right to choose what information to reveal about yourself. Crypto is not crap on the whole. Many coins are worthless and scams, but some improves payments and give people more freedom and privacy. Just like eve…

> If you don't care about privacy, then state your address, bank account balance, phone number, family members, and post photos of the inside of your house. Nope. I'm fine with the protection that the classic legal system provides. > Monero protects some of that information. No, it doesn't. I don't use cryptocrap. > Of course any privacy tool will first be challenged by the bad actors caught using it. That's just the…

Protecting and improving privacy is by definition excellent for humans.

GrapheneOS gets many of their donations from Monero [1].

I'm glad you didn't state any personal information. You now can see exactly why Monero is important. Using other online methods of exchanging value would say those things without your permission!

[1] monerostats.org

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by TaLiTr »

birksherty wrote: post #153
zarzavat wrote: post #147

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Pretending to run an inclusive git hosting service for FOSS and then attacking your own users because their code is the wrong type of algorithm isn't politics, it's just being an asshole.

Nope. It's not "attacking own user base". These comments are ridiculous now. It's safeguarding a open project by removing scammers and abusers that exploit it. Scammer should host their own or use github.

Implying that anyone who makes crypto or AI projects is somehow a scammer/abuser?
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