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Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by SR2Z »

nutjob2 wrote: post #512
SR2Z wrote: post #424

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An unrelated market is an oxymoron. You could come to my house and put a gun to my head, but that's not a consensual trade. That's just thuggery; the point of a market is that both sides benefit from trade. For markets to exist, property rights also need to be respected.

The gun was an analogy and the comment satire, but the thuggery is real and the weapon is money. For markets to exist they indeed need to be regulated and when they aren't you get something other than a market, you get thuggery.

But this is my point. People say "unregulated market" and assume that means reverting to feudalism, but what it actually means is just... less regulation.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by marcosdumay »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #504
toraway wrote: post #497

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The parent comment specified a company that has never turned a profit cornering the entire market.

Not even sure which company are they referring to. I assumed Amazon or Google or Microsoft or Oracle, but all of them have turned profit. I don't think OpenAI purchase even comes even close to any of these.

Well, you think wrong. OpenAI is the one that pre-hired 40% of the world's memory fab capacity.

And if you are going to protest with the common "OpenAI doesn't even build datacenters themselves!", yes, they don't, and it's a complete non-sequitur.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by nutjob2 »

SR2Z wrote: post #621
nutjob2 wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gun was an analogy and the comment satire, but the thuggery is real and the weapon is money. For markets to exist they indeed need to be regulated and when they aren't you get something other than a market, you get thuggery.

But this is my point. People say "unregulated market" and assume that means reverting to feudalism, but what it actually means is just... less regulation.

You should try speaking to the Libertarian bros.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by Mad_ad »

okanat wrote: post #172
capitol_ wrote: post #121

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That Trump makes us very motivated to stop relying on American tech.

This doesn't solve the issue that globalism caused. Europe doesn't make DRAM nor has the know-how to quickly bring factories online which usually take 10+ years. We are tied to American economy and if AI companies start driving prices up not only DRAM but basically everything will become more expensive.

America doesn't really produce RAM either.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by rmoriz »

thyristan wrote: post #539
rmoriz wrote: post #135

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The strongest reaction of EU would be to subsidize RIPE small LIR fees to 0€ and embrace decentralization.

Maybe that could help a little, but on the other hand, there are just no more IPv4 addresses at RIPE. And European businesses seem to be very hesitant at adopting IPv6.

It's about decentralization, and IPv6 adoption is very high in Europe. Resilience means to know how to network. A large enthusiastic community of amateurs leads to skilled professionals.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by Fnoord »

UltraSane wrote: post #247
x_may wrote: post #184

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Isn’t there also basically 0 American DRAM?

Micron Technology, Inc. is an American semiconductor company that manufactures computer memory

Micron/Crucial has bailed the consumer market. Enterprise only now, FWIW.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by fireant »

andix wrote: post #274
jsheard wrote: post #114

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> It seems we will run out of hardware by March? What happens when an unstoppable force (building everything in Electron because hardware is cheap) meets an immovable object (oh no hardware is expensive now)?

Maybe we need to let go of our auto-scaled 100 pod service mesh for a todo list app, and just deploy it bare metal on 2 servers.

You joke, but I remember seeing a talk by Wunderlist CTO who has pretty much that. Also polyglot company and microservices in random languages. Can't find the talk now, but https://www.infoq.com/news/2014/11/gotober-wunderlist-micros... mentions 60 services at least.

Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%

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Post by izacus »

infecto wrote: post #599
63stack wrote: post #589

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It (GPU prices getting out of hand) started when, 2012? What's constructive in saying "the market will correct itself" after 14 years of no sign of that happening? I don't know what the solution is since I'm not an economist, but I also don't have to be a pilot to declare someone fucked up when I see a helicopter on a tree. EVs are a very tangible thing that are on the road, compare that with crypto and NFT which is…

Can you use less inflammatory language and be more critical in your thought? Your point, if there is any, is drowned by your lack of command of constructive discussion. Who are you to decide what is tangible and what is not? That’s my whole point. GPU prices are still not crazy on a $ / performance scale, especially if you do a rough chart of it over time. Certainly there are carve outs, the 5090 is still hard to get…

You keep trying to tone police others while making downright deranged statements with no basis of reality.

Maybe if you touched a bit of grass the answers to your outright gaslighting wouldn't be "inflammatory".

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