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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by bluedino »

standardUser wrote: post #193
pjc50 wrote: post #33

This is insanely stupid stuff. Even the UK with our weird panic over Incredibly Specific Knives hasn't tried to do this kind of technical restriction to prevent people printing guns. Why not? Because nobody is printing guns! It's an infeasible solution to a non-problem! Someone should dig into who this is coming from and why. The answers are usually either (a) they got paid to do it by a company selling the tech, whi…

Few people would bring an illegal firearm into NYC or other major US metros because a) the penalties in most of those cities and states can be brutal and b) it's not that difficult to acquire a legal firearm in most cities. If someone's smuggling a gun it's likely because it's just a small part of more varied criminal activity. Or because they did it by accident. Also, I find it unconscionable to suggest we should al…

> Few people would bring an illegal firearm into NYC or other major US metros

Someone is. They recover thousands of illegal guns in Chicago alone every year.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/report/firearms-trace-data/fire...

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Post by pocksuppet »

crote wrote: post #522
vincnetas wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prusa is still kicking... if open source hardware is your priority.

Prusa had been moving towards proprietary licensing (if they release files at all) for a while now, due to their open source design files being used to undercut the original with cheaper clones.

This is why we can't have nice things

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Post by kps »

ReptileMan wrote: post #525
kps wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy a thing for your fingernails, a thing for your hair, and a thing for your drains, and put them together to hurt a lot of people (though likely and ideally only yourself), but those things are not banned.

Since when peroxiacetone requires NAOH?

The other kind of drain opener.

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Post by riskable »

anthk wrote: post #533
Arch-TK wrote: post #485

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EURion marks are a feature you must include on your banknote for it to even be considered real. And it's _one_ feature. It's relatively trivial to make a chip which can detect their presence. On the other hand, if I need a replacement part for something, it's unlikely I will find the manufacturer giving me models for it. And if a manufacturer is giving me models for it, they probably do so with the explicit expectati…

As an European I'd say any USAnite can almost get a gun with breakfast cereal boxes. But weapons' culture in the US it's obsolete. Militias can't do shit against tyranical govs because once they send drones it's game over.

Well, at birth every American is issued Baby's First Glock™

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #182
TehCorwiz wrote: post #95

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And they're still doing anything except addressing the grievances that lead to that. EDIT: I think you mean "allegedly"

Right, because most people recognize that the US has become sufficiently polarized and radicalized that "If enough people are mad at you, a complete stranger might shoot you" is not a theory of change we want to encourage. Yes, even for causes we agree with, most adults in the room understand that "people being mad at you" is pretty independent of how righteous your cause is, and even how civil and thoughtful you are…

>because most people recognize that the US has become sufficiently polarized and radicalized that "If enough people are mad at you, a complete stranger might shoot you" is not a theory of change we want to encourage.

God forbid individuals and organizations not choose paths of action that "low level piss off" millions of people such that their chance of being at the business end of some outlier who will actually do violence upon them is non-trivial.

It's not hard to not be "the thing" in any given crazy's life they choose to go out with a bang over, especially if you're not something they deal with every day. If that means that the default amount of screwage your organization applies needs to be dialed back, or that you must clean house a little better or more often then cry me a river.

>most adults in the room understand that "people being mad at you" is pretty independent of how righteous your cause is

Except it's not. The "budget" you have to wrong people and cause despair before people would be apathetic to violence done upon you is pretty directly coupled to the amount of good you do to offset your harm.

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Post by sharperguy »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #464
robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

Too bad everyone jumped shipped to Bambuu Labs. If only we still had open source hardware.

This bill would effectively make prusa illegal, which is my main issue with it. I refuse to buy anything else if it is not open in the same way.

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Post by jrockway »

teo_zero wrote: post #427
robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

> how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician At least 25 years. That's the time passed since the first introduction of Eurion marks on banknotes. As far as I know, noone has used it to block reproduction of anything oth…

When I was in college I wrote a computer program (yes, involving yellow text) that couldn't be photocopied because I put the "o"s in the right place to trigger the eurion-finding algorithm. People thought it was neat.

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Post by ale42 »

krater23 wrote: post #514
ale42 wrote: post #495

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Actually I tried to use it just for fun on some vouchers, but it didn't work on the copy machines I tried. They just happily photocopied the vouchers.

Tried the same, doesn't do anything on my scanner. Interestingly, there are regions of banknotes my scanner refuses to scan. But had no time to investigate further.

Some more tests on this old page: https://murdoch.is/projects/currency/ (2004)

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Post by fortran77 »

The voters of NYC got _exactly_ what they wanted and deserve.

They voted to “seize the means of production.” This was one of the few promises delivered. May they enjoy it!

I made a choice, too. I cancelled my annual NYC trip in January to see friends and went to Miami instead.

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