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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by direwolf20 »

Ray20 wrote: post #287
thinking_cactus wrote: post #72

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How about plain civil disobedience? Like just stop working? It would need to get pretty extreme before the government had the audacity (and even capacity) to actually track you down to your home and arrest (or kill) you. Although this kind of coordination might be difficult with government control of communication media.

> How about plain civil disobedience? Like just stop working? An amazing level of privilege. In half of the world, if you stop working, you will very soon die of hunger.

Work–to–rule, then. This was actually included in the CIA sabotage manual.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by riedel »

ch4s3 wrote: post #537
noah_buddy wrote: post #469

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Again, what am I supposed to do about it? If one lives in one of most western countries, one’s government has sanctioned Iran to the gills. Even the government can do little more, except engage in war. Compare this to Palestine, where direct action and protest is much more tangibly impactful.

European governments could expel Iranian ambassadors as a start.

I guess there is still remaining trade volume that could be further reduced by sanctions. While it is a tenth of what is typically traded with other countries in the region, I would say it is still 1000 times higher than the trade with North Korea. Having said that, the example shows that cruel dictators can still survive in isolation (particularly if the rest of the world still continues to be split on basic human rights)

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by throwaw12 »

erezsh wrote: post #577
throwaw12 wrote: post #564

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> because they see Mullah’s regime as one of their biggest allies when it comes to attack West/Israel/Free market you are looking it differently, I disagree, I am one of those who supported Palestine. Reason we are silent, because our governments already did what's needed from our side: heavily sanctioned the Iran, if I go and protest, what do I ask? To sanction Iran? They would laugh at me. Obviously, I am not going…

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> How are you not ashamed to write this to an Iranian?

Don't try to guilt trip me, I said not trying to downplay, but you picked part of my sentences. If Iran goes same ratio as Israel did to Gaza, it should kill 9 million people, that's what I wanted to convey

> Just admit you hate Jews and don't give a damn about anyone else in the middle-east

I think you are just trying hard to label me as anti-semite

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by direwolf20 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #268
heisig wrote: post #227

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Unfortunately those videos exist. There are videos of relatives walking for hours from body bag to body bag to find the remains of their lost ones. There are videos of people with heavy machine guns shooting indiscriminately into peaceful protests. There are videos of executions. Everything has been recorded. There is a reason why the Iranian government cannot activate internet and phones anymore. Once people can com…

> There is a reason why the Iranian government cannot activate internet and phones anymore. Once people can communicate again, they will count and document the true scale of events. Right now, it seems the Iranian government would rather give up on internet and telephones altogether than having anyone find out, which tells you just about how bad the situation is. I had talked to an iranian person who had misconfigure…

Phone calls are unencrypted, that's why

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by hearsathought »

flyinglizard wrote: post #440
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

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It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

Your government doesn’t fund Israel, either.

Not only do we fund israel, our leaders have been wasting trillions fighting wars on behalf of israel. The newest target israel want the US to take out is strangely enough - Iran...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by aesch »

koalaman wrote: post #443

Iran and North Korea are evidence that with modern technology, and a ruthless enough autocracy, there is possibly no way out from under it. Technological progress only makes this problem worse. It should highlight the urgency for anybody who loves freedom, human rights, and democracy, to fight the swing towards authoritarianism in the 'free world', before there is no way back.

One could ask, who is giving Iran and North Korea this technology? Most of it they aren't developing themselves.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by diffs »

epsters wrote: post #619
diffs wrote: post #572

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Completely crazy. Not only had the war in Iraq hurt Israeli security, rather than improving it, Israel opposed the war knowing that it would be damaging rather than beneficial. What you have is not "the Israel Theory", what you have is a conspiracy theory.

>Israel opposed the war knowing that it would be damaging rather than beneficial Here's a video of Benjamin Netanyahu doing the opposite of opposing the Iraq war in front of Congress in 2002. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVPauUOVrmk >Not only had the war in Iraq hurt Israeli security, rather than improving it I am aware there was internal debate in Israel on relative benefits of taking out Iraq's conventional mili…

Like I said to the other person here, Netanyahu was acting in a private capacity as a civilian, not a representative or office holder of the government of Israel. It amazes me how you conspiracy nutters can't tell the difference.

You don't have a "theory". You worked backwards from your conclusion that "Israel = bad" and created an entirely false narrative that only sounds plausible in your own deluded head. Furthermore, you have absolutely no proof, obviously, for your conspiratorial ravings, so the most charitable description of your thoughts on the matter would be a "conjecture" not a "theory".

And I'm sorry but I don't care about your predictions.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by figmert »

throwaw12 wrote: post #564
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

> because they see Mullah’s regime as one of their biggest allies when it comes to attack West/Israel/Free market you are looking it differently, I disagree, I am one of those who supported Palestine. Reason we are silent, because our governments already did what's needed from our side: heavily sanctioned the Iran, if I go and protest, what do I ask? To sanction Iran? They would laugh at me. Obviously, I am not going…

Not to whataboutism this, but I've barely heard pro-Palestinian crowd talk about the stuff Syria did to the Druze, the Alawites, and now to the Kurds.

Multiple of my friends on Instagram still post daily about the atrocities in Gaza, but haven't posted anything about the atrocities in Aleppo or Kobane. Nor did they post anything when the STG was massacring the Alawites or the Druze last year.

So I find it hard to believe that it's about the sanctions or whatnot.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by nickff »

pydry wrote: post #511
joenot443 wrote: post #445

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I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

The Soviet Union used to routinely criticize dissident Nobel Peace Prize winner Andrei Sakharov for having nothing to say about American atrocities. " I don't know anything about them, I don't care about them, what I talk about are Soviet atrocities. " he replied. I wonder how many of the people arguing that "more leftists should be out protesting Iran" agree with the Soviet Union's criticism of its dissident? My gue…

The Soviet Union was famous for engaging in whataboutism; they covered-up the true toll of Stalin’s purges (along with the human cost of their policies), and constantly oppressed Eastern Europe for almost 50 years. They are/were not a good example of anything.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by sneak »

joenot443 wrote: post #445
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

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It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

…and they’ve been completely silent on the 20k per day, every day, who die from lack of access to clean and fresh water.

People actually don’t really care, and almost all outrage about everything outside of lunch being served late is performative.

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