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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by JuniperMesos »

orionsbelt wrote: post #464
miley_cyrus wrote: post #452

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No that is a huge failure. That is perhaps the biggest failure of Obamacare. That means I, as someone with healthy lifestyle habits, has to pay largely the same premium as someone who smokes, is obese, and doesn't exercise. And sure enough, life expectancy in the US immediately stalled after the law's implementation: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni... . Exactly what economics would predic…

And what if you, despite being healthy, get diagnosed with cancer right one your employer fails, thus becoming uninsurable? This type of thing happened to people. It’s nice the above can no longer happen. You could, at the same time, still allow insurers to charge a premium to smokers and obese and for other lifestyle risks within one’s control. They are not mutually exclusive.

The entire system of linking health insurance to one's current employer is bad. I should just be able to buy it with money I earn from doing anything that pays me, just like I do with my car insurance or any other type of insurance.

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Post by idiotsecant »

thereitgoes456 wrote: post #584
idiotsecant wrote: post #490

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Look at this Ubermensch that will never have a stroke, develop cancer, or any number of debilitating conditions. Must be nice! It is the basic duty of every human to do their best to make sure every other living human is afforded a life of simple human dignity. Full stop. We have the resources. Let's just do it.

Sadly we do not have, and will never have, the resources to help everyone, even to a baseline of human dignity. Surely we can't give people unlimited talk therapy, MRIs, and cancer treatment for free. But some people sorely need these things. Preventative/propylactic care is orders of magnitude cheaper than treatment once a disease has manifested. It makes sense to me to punish people for not doing this care, thereby…

Since when do we not have the resources? Nearly every developed country on earth manages it ok.

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Post by dyauspitr »

CjHuber wrote: post #587
dyauspitr wrote: post #561

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You got to have a Zohran that is also going to be tough on crime and homelessness but our political separations don’t allow for that right now.

From a non-american perspective it seems to me that in the US the problem of homelessness often gets mistaken for a problem with the homeless, maybe changing that narrative is a starting point?

With drugs in the mix things get complicated. Many cities tried giving these people free homes/rooms but because drug laws were strictly enforced there the homeless chose to stay on the streets. You’re not going to get rid of the fentanyl and meth addicted homeless unless you do it by force.

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Post by archagon »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #282
seydor wrote: post #165

The fact that people in here (who are richer than average) disagree with his policies makes his election more hopeful

The reality, which kinda sucks and is boring, is that generally people with money understand how money works, and why things like rent control, government grocery stores, and free [expensive service], are financially brutal policies.

People with money understand how to get themselves more money, often at the expense of others. And indeed, they’re very good at that.

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Post by ThrowMeAway1618 »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #542
liveoneggs wrote: post #140

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(from wikipedia) 1. rent control is a specific, technical term which represents about 24k units 2. rent stabilized representing about 1M sets limits on rent increases in exchange for tax breaks for the building 3. corruption

When you have to argue semantics by defining a new term ("it's not rent control, it's rent stabilization") that's a pretty good sign that you've fucked up and you're trying to hide it. What's next, "these people are technically not in poverty, they're income challenged"

>When you have to argue semantics by defining a new term ("it's not rent control, it's rent stabilization") that's a pretty good sign that you've fucked up and you're trying to hide it.

It's not "defining a new term."

In New York City, "Rent Control" is the official name of a specific program/set of laws and "Rent Stabilization" is the official name of a different specific program/set of laws.[0]

And since we're talking about New York City housing laws/policies and that Mamdani is proposing a rent freeze for units in one of those two programs, being specific about it isn't semantics at all.

The all-encompassing term that you thought you were using a gotcha on is "rent regulation."

Please! Put some knowledge on, your ignorance is showing. Sheesh!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_regulation_in_New_York

Edit: Added ">" to identify the section I quoted.

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Post by tguvot »

paxys wrote: post #383
afavour wrote: post #349

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When has Mamdani claimed Israel is to blame for NYC’s cost of living problem?

He has not. In fact Mamdani is the only candidate who has consistently sought to stop the incessant focus on Israel and talk about New York, something the media and the poster above are still incapable of doing. This is partly what got him elected.

he sought to stop the incessant focus on Israel so much that he promised to arrest netanyahu in case he arrives to new york.

according to CNN exit poll out of those voters for whom position of candidate on israel is a factor in vote, 49% voted for mamdani. And his position on Israel is known

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Post by archagon »

Kephael wrote: post #522
bradlys wrote: post #430

I left nyc a couple months ago after living there for three years. The city has so many issues and something only someone like Mamdani (with good support) could fix. It’s been said that it’s impossible for a New York City mayor to be uncorrupt. By the nature of getting the position, you must be a corrupt individual. That’s why you see so many past mayors and potentials having such a shameful history. Mamdani feels li…

The Bay Area is far wealthier and much more economically relevant than NYC. NYC has a very large low income population. NYC doesn't have nearly as strong of an economy, financial services and trading firms are increasingly leaving. Whereas the Bay Area, particularly the peninsula, is home to the companies shaping the future like OpenAI and Nvidia along with a huge number of quality startups.

We may have to revisit this comparison once the AI bubble pops.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #518
idle_zealot wrote: post #434

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No? The policy is to freeze the rent in rent-controlled units for his entire term, which is as long as he can. The long-term solution is of course to build more units.

The freeze will have the same effect that rent control has always had, for the past decades in NY and elsewhere: make the situation worse. It being "temporary for his entire term" just means that the negative consequences will be "temporary for his entire term"; is that supposed to be a selling point? What was the definition of insanity again?

It will have the same effect it always had if we proceed to do the same thing. i.e. fail to build more affordable housing.

How about this time we actually do it and stop blaming glue for not being a welding mold? Rent controls aren't supposed to be long term. Mamdami realizing that is already a good sign. So I'll see if he can get housing projects off the ground next.

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Post by dyauspitr »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

I'm noticing that this election result has made a lot of people I know really hopeful. It's apparent that many people are fed up with the status quo so they're pushing towards more experimental candidates. If anyone here is well-read on his policies and they have specific opinions I'd love to hear what you think. Do you think Zohran will be successful with his agenda or will he get blocked by pushback from other poli…

I think I like the universal childcare and free buses. Don’t like the rent control but places like Hong Kong have been very successful doing it.

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Post by ThrowMeAway1618 »

Kephael wrote: post #522
bradlys wrote: post #430

I left nyc a couple months ago after living there for three years. The city has so many issues and something only someone like Mamdani (with good support) could fix. It’s been said that it’s impossible for a New York City mayor to be uncorrupt. By the nature of getting the position, you must be a corrupt individual. That’s why you see so many past mayors and potentials having such a shameful history. Mamdani feels li…

The Bay Area is far wealthier and much more economically relevant than NYC. NYC has a very large low income population. NYC doesn't have nearly as strong of an economy, financial services and trading firms are increasingly leaving. Whereas the Bay Area, particularly the peninsula, is home to the companies shaping the future like OpenAI and Nvidia along with a huge number of quality startups.

>The Bay Area is far wealthier and much more economically relevant than NYC.

Not so much. The NY Metro Area has the highest GDP of any metro area in the US[0]. The San Francisco Bay Metro area ranks fourth, behind NYC, Los Angeles and Chicago.

But don't feel too bad about it. It could have happened to any Metro area.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropol...

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