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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by krzyk »

actionfromafar wrote: post #111
krzyk wrote: post #76

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I doubt that South Slavic and West/East Slavic were mutually intelligible at 1200 AD. I doubt West and East Slavic were. But inside those geographic groups they probably were (Czech and Polish AFAIR were around that time).

Depends on your standards, too. Even today, any pair of slavic speakers should have a head start in understanding each other. Put them next to each other for a month and they should be talking, at least about basic everyday things.

Not quite. My anecdotal examples. I'm Polish.

I was in Crimea for about 2 weeks (in 2012) they split me Russian there. I couldn't understand a word they said. And I didn't learn to understand than for 2 weeks of travel there.

I could understand some words from Ukrainian (I traveled by train from Lviv).

Another example is Croatian, I've been there on vacation and renting a room. I couldn't understand a word they said and didn't learn any.

TlI can understand some Czech (because this is the closest language together with Slovakian to Polish) but that's it.

I wouldn't mix Slavs from different groups together. They evolved separately and are as close as English and German.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by 1718627440 »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #279
d1sxeyes wrote: post #51

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Hungarian too, although there’s a question about whether Hungary is Eastern or Central Europe.

The Visegrad 4 (Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary)are generally taken to be "Central European". The strict East/West division is largely a product of the Cold War and the Iron Curtain.

No, the distinction into West/Central/East Europe was also relevant in the centuries prior. You're right with, that East Europe starts with Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by raattgift »

layer8 wrote: post #419
raattgift wrote: post #264

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That said, whenever there is a language selection UI (e.g. at banking machines or institutional websites) in wider Europe that uses flags to represent languages -- probably not a good idea to start with, but very common -- the Irish tricolour should be used to indicate English rather than the UK or USA flags. (although cf Airteagal 8 of Bunreacht na hÉireann).

Relatively few people would recognize that it’s meant to stand for English (including myself), so I’m unconvinced that this would be better.

Cool, so the European Union and overlapping institutions could see this as an opportunity to promote greater public knowledge about one of their respective member states. Seems like an argument in favour of encouraging the display of a member state's flag rather than that of a non-member-state or former member state (especially given that state's history with respect to Ireland).

Using flags alone is already poor UI since there are many languages which spill across the borders into multiple member states and non-member states, and some member states with multiple official and commonly spoken languages.

But a menu item that reads: [Irish flag] (English) like one that reads [Swedish flag] (Svenska) does not seem worse than the legacy use of the UK flag or the popular use of the US one.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by simion314 »

imcritic wrote: post #612
simion314 wrote: post #370

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Oh, typical Ruzzian victim comlex, their brain can't understand why all their neighbors and "brother slavs" hate them, brainwashing for generations made them think in unatural logic where you need to negate anything a Ruzzian says and then you increase the probability 100 times to be the truth. Ruzzian = a Russian Zed patriot , we use this notation to acknowledge that there still exists a small percentage of educated…

You just proved my point. You are a rusophobe.

Nope, I respect Russians and hate Ruzzians, Ruzzians hate Russians because they are not sucking Putin.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by adzm »

raattgift wrote: post #623
layer8 wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relatively few people would recognize that it’s meant to stand for English (including myself), so I’m unconvinced that this would be better.

Cool, so the European Union and overlapping institutions could see this as an opportunity to promote greater public knowledge about one of their respective member states. Seems like an argument in favour of encouraging the display of a member state's flag rather than that of a non-member-state or former member state (especially given that state's history with respect to Ireland). Using flags alone is already poor UI…

This is how we end up with a white box 'flag' that says 'en'

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by JAlexoid »

nxor wrote: post #286
JAlexoid wrote: post #197

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Yes, there's plenty of Maltese spoken and listened to. I was surprised to hear Maltese radio stations played in taxis, while visiting Malta just a few weeks back

The point of my question was to ask someone who lives there, not someone who visited

Nowhere did you specify that. I suggest being specific about your request

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

1718627440 wrote: post #622
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Visegrad 4 (Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary)are generally taken to be "Central European". The strict East/West division is largely a product of the Cold War and the Iron Curtain.

No, the distinction into West/Central/East Europe was also relevant in the centuries prior. You're right with, that East Europe starts with Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.

> No, the distinction into West/Central/East Europe was also relevant in the centuries prior.

I never said it wasn't.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by 1718627440 »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #627
1718627440 wrote: post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the distinction into West/Central/East Europe was also relevant in the centuries prior. You're right with, that East Europe starts with Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.

> No, the distinction into West/Central/East Europe was also relevant in the centuries prior. I never said it wasn't.

> The strict East/West division is largely a product of the Cold War and the Iron Curtain.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by slim »

Raed667 wrote: post #460
slim wrote: post #449

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Tunisian dialect must have split of at the same time, because it's as far from arabic as maltese is. most arabs don't understand our dialect (fortunately we also speak standard arabic which we learn at school). I read some research saying maltese/tunisian is a separate language called lingua franca

Nice seeing you around here =) been a while !

call me when you are in Tunis :)
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