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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by Pet_Ant »

reverendsteveii wrote: post #539

Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnera…

I assume "tan suit" is referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_tan_suit_controve...

I follow US politics regularly, but I hadn't heard of this so I don't know how well it's known... but it has it's own page so maybe I'm in the minority here.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by rdtsc »

throw0101d wrote: post #424
swat535 wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.

> And the court of law later determined […] And an Act -mandated commission said it was warranted: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commiss...

That sounds a bit like "The police carefully investigated themselves and firmly established that no abuse or wrongdoing took place".

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by wizee »

AlexandrB wrote: post #458
Tiktaalik wrote: post #285

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lol this incredible hyperbole begs for explanation. The two main fumbles I can see of note are on housing and immigration. On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future. Not likely a ge…

> On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future. From government of Canada[1]: > reducing from 500,000 permanent residents to 395,000 in 2025 > reducing from 500,000 permanent residents…

There are a huge number of temporary residents in Canada, either as students, or on a post-graduation work permit, or as temporary foreign workers. By cutting back on these programs bringing in temporary residents, and also slashing the permanent resident intake, many of these temporary residents will need to leave. As such, the government is projecting a net decrease in population over the next two years.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

AlexandrB wrote: post #567
jmyeet wrote: post #397

Nothing will change because no Canadian government will lower house prices and that's what absolutely needs to happen. 2024 was a banner year for voting against the incumbent governments worldwide. Globally we have a cost-of-living crisis, a housing affordability crisis and a years-long decrease in the standard-of-living. Generally speaking, each country has 3 forces that are in play: 1. Progressives; 2. Neoliberals…

> 3. Outright fascists. You say this like it's a given, but I'm not so sure anymore. The word fascist has lost most of its meaning by being applied to everyone from Donald Trump to J. K. Rowling. Can you explain specifically what you mean by this?

One steelman might be to replace "fascist" by "Malthusian populist", eg: someone who wants to decrease the national population of nonwealthy people to place less strain on what they see as a fixed pie of resources for the remaining "first-class" population.

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Post by jmyeet »

AlexandrB wrote: post #567
jmyeet wrote: post #397

Nothing will change because no Canadian government will lower house prices and that's what absolutely needs to happen. 2024 was a banner year for voting against the incumbent governments worldwide. Globally we have a cost-of-living crisis, a housing affordability crisis and a years-long decrease in the standard-of-living. Generally speaking, each country has 3 forces that are in play: 1. Progressives; 2. Neoliberals…

> 3. Outright fascists. You say this like it's a given, but I'm not so sure anymore. The word fascist has lost most of its meaning by being applied to everyone from Donald Trump to J. K. Rowling. Can you explain specifically what you mean by this?

While there is disagreement on the exact definition, Wikipedia sums it up pretty well [1]:

> Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy

A good litmus test is to simply see how many parallels you can draw to Nazi Germany. So let's take a few points in relation to Trump:

- "far right": the attack on the bodily autonomy of women, attacks on LGBTQ (particularly T) people, etc

- "authoritarian": Hitler was elected (technically appointed) Chancellor before becoming a dictator. Trump was elected but it really took the Supreme Court to completely invent the idea of presidential immunity to make that happen. There is absolutely no constitutional basis for that decision. This, and various political moves to argue more power should be held by the executive, gets wrapped up in a psuedo-intellectual veneer like "unitary executive theory" [2];

- "ultranationalist": we just had an election campaign of outright race-baiting and villification not seen since 1930s Germany. It will be official government policy to build concentration camps and to use the military to round up undesirables;

- "belief in a antural hierarchy": well, that's just white supremacy.

As another parallel, it's worth noting that many on the right will argue that we need to root out "cultural Marcists" [3], which is eerily similar to Nazi-era "cultural Bolshevism" [4].

Another Nazi-era conspiracy is the Great Replacement [5], which has been resurgent in the last few years (eg [6]).

This isn't unique to the US as you'll see all of these traits in other countries (eg Reform in UK, AfD in Germany, National Rally in France).

Fun fact: one of National Front's founders (Petain) signed the armistice with Nazi Germany in 1940 so collaborated with Hitler as Vichy France [7].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory

[3]: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/...

[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism

[5]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_t...

[6]: https://www.npr.org/2023/04/25/1171800317/how-tucker-carlson...

[7]: https://www.france24.com/en/20180220-frances-jean-marie-le-p...

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Post by catgary »

throaway89 wrote: post #518
fidotron wrote: post #410

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Amazingly there is someone living very close to the airport where they found the body of the Deputy Premier of Quebec (Pierre Laporte) in 1970 that flies the flags of allegiance to the successors of the terrorists (i.e. the MNLQ following from the FLQ) from a pole in his yard for everyone on the highway to see. For some people all this stuff is very much part of their reason for being, but the FLQ took being obnoxiou…

yeah what people dont always understand (not saying you dont) is that FLQ supporters see themselves as basically being occupied by Anglo Canadians. Until the 60's there was entrenched discrimination in Montreal against catholics and french-speakers. The city even used to have two hockey teams, one for Anglos and one for Francos.

Ehh, I think a surprising amount of the Quebecois’ problems were self-inflicted by letting the Catholic Church run people’s lives, and the Quiet Revolution helped a lot. Like, it wasn’t the anglos bullying people’s grandmothers into having an eighth child after a rough pregnancy, the local priest would take a few minutes during mass to call her out in front of he whole community.

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Post by kridsdale1 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #500
ygjb wrote: post #455

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Here's the primary problem with your argument: the current front-runner to win the next election is the Conservative Party of Canada, with Pierre Poilievre as leader, and pretty much a shoo-in for the next Prime Minister. Poilievre is a career politician who's only professional experience has been as a politician, has no work history to speak of (don't take my word for it, his wikipedia entry details only a job as a…

> Trudeau's greatest mistake was not implementing the electoral change he campaigned on Agreed. In an over-simplification, - first past the post is the best for the Conservatives. (It was best for the Liberals before the Reform & Conservatives merged). - single transferable is the best for the Liberals - mixed-member proportional is the best for the NDP Trudeau thought the electoral commission would give him the STV…

I voted Liberal in 2015. Because of that betrayal, I never have since or will in future.

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Post by rossdavidh »

ciconia wrote: post #379

Is it just me or is the quality of politicians on a downward spiral? Between retirement-age out-of-touch boomers, clueless good-looking male liberals and corrupt authoritarian plutocrats, it sure feels like there's a shortage of honest hard-working people in leadership positions. I mean it is kinda obvious that the system in western democracies is structurally flawed such that there's a selection bias for crooks and…

I'm not saying nothing's changed, but there was a lot of dirt on previous politicians that didn't get surfaced and pored over in the 20th century, as it has been in the 21st. The saying about not wanting to know how sausages or legislation gets made, is a pretty old one.

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Post by nashashmi »

redeux wrote: post #59
mlekoszek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

I haven’t been following the news recently. What is the talk of annexation? First I’ve heard of it.

US should take the areas below the 47 degree Lat N. The rest can remain Canada. And please Keep Quebec too.

Or maybe Canada should pull a Russia and sell the Northwest Territories and Yukon. That would generate a lot of interest and money.

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