I find it interesting that the people who dismiss the utility of AI are being so aggressive, sarcastic and hateful about it. Why all the anger? Where's the curiosity?
Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI
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#622I keep trying to use these things but I always end up back in vim (in which I don't have any ai autocomplete set up.)
The AI is fine, but every time it makes a little mistake that I have to correct it really breaks my flow. I might type a lot more boilerplate without it but I get better flow and overall that saves me time with less mistakes.
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#623I work for Google, and I just got done with my work day. I was just writing I guess what you'd call "AI generated code." But the code completion engine is basically just good at finishing the lines I'm writing. If I'm writing "function getAc..." it's smart enough to complete to "function getActionHandler()", and maybe suggest the correct arguments and a decent jsdoc comment. So basically, it's a helpful productivity…
Before I go and rip out and replace my development workflow, is it notably better than auto complete suggestions from CoC in neovim (with say, rust-analyzer)? I'm generally pretty impressed how quickly it gives me the right function call or whatever, or it's the one of the top few.
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#624People talk about how AI is bad at generating non-trivial code, but why are people using it to generate non-trivial code? 25% of coding is just the most basic boilerplate. I think of AI not as a thinking machine but as a 1000 WPM boilerplate typer. If it is halucinating, you're trying to make it do stuff that is too complex.
Were people seriously writing this boilerplate by hand up until this point? I started using snippets and stuff more than 15 years ago!
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#625Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI
#626Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is AI ready to crawl through all open source and find / fix all the potential security bugs or all bugs for that matter? If so will that become a commercial service or a free service? Will AI be able to detect bugs and back doors that require multiple pieces of code working together rather than being in a single piece of code? Humans have a hard time with this. - Hypothetical Example: Authentication bugs in sshd that…
Seems like there is more gain on the adversary side of this equation. Think nation-states like North Korea or China, and commercial entities like Pegasus Group.
FWIW: NSO is the group, Pegasus is their product
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#627Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm continually surprised by the amount of negativity that accompanies these sort of statements. The direction of travel is very clear - LLM based systems will be writing more and more code at all companies. I don't think this is a bad thing - if this can be accompanied by an increase in software quality, which is possible. Right now its very hit and miss and everyone has examples of LLMs producing buggy or ridiculou…
> I'm continually surprised by the amount of negativity Maybe I'm just old, but to me, LLMs feel like magic. A decade ago, anyone predicting their future capabilities would have been laughed at.
Nah, you just were not up to speed with the current research. Which is completely normal. Now marketing departments are on the job.
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#628I work for Google, and I just got done with my work day. I was just writing I guess what you'd call "AI generated code." But the code completion engine is basically just good at finishing the lines I'm writing. If I'm writing "function getAc..." it's smart enough to complete to "function getActionHandler()", and maybe suggest the correct arguments and a decent jsdoc comment. So basically, it's a helpful productivity…
I can totally see it.
It is actually a testament that, part of Google's code are ... kinda formulaic to some degree. Prior to the LLM take over, we already heard praise how Google's code search works wonder in helping its engineer writing code, LLM just brought that experience to next level.
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#629Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see how this is sustainable. We have essentially eaten the seed corn. These current LLMs have been trained by an enormous corpus of mostly human-generated technical knowledge from sources which we already know to be currently being polluted by AI-generated slop. We also have preliminary research into how poorly these models do when training on data generated by other LLMs. Sure, it can coast off of that initi…
These tools also require the developer class to that they are intended to replace to continue to do what they currently do (create the knowledge source to train the AI on). It's not like the AIs are going to be creating the accessible knowledge bases to train AIs on, especially for new language extensions/libraries/etc. This is a one and f'd development. It will give a one time gain and then companies will be shocked…
Yea, I'm thinking along the same lines.
The companies valuing the expensive talent currently working on Google will be the winner.
Google and others are betting big right now, but I feel the winner might be those who watches how it unfolds first.
Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI
#630I work for Google, and I just got done with my work day. I was just writing I guess what you'd call "AI generated code." But the code completion engine is basically just good at finishing the lines I'm writing. If I'm writing "function getAc..." it's smart enough to complete to "function getActionHandler()", and maybe suggest the correct arguments and a decent jsdoc comment. So basically, it's a helpful productivity…
Do people find these AI auto complete things helpful? I was trying the XCode one and it kept suggesting API calls that don't exist. I spent more time fixing its errors than I would have spent typing the correct API call.
It is useful in our use case.
Realtime tab completion is good at some really mundane things within the current file.
You still need a chat model, like Claude 3.5 to do more explorational things.