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Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by majewsky »

websap wrote: post #620
theshrike79 wrote: post #606

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People always _always_ forget that Google today is an ad company first. They do search, phones and mobile operating systems as side projects.

Gross over simplification.

Out of Google's 2023 revenue of 305.63e9 US-$, 77.8% (237.86e9 US-$) was advertising revenue.

Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/266249/advertising-reven...

They are obviously not only an ad company, but GP only claimed that they are an ad company "first". Can you please clarify which part you consider oversimplified?

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by lupusreal »

Sylamore wrote: post #555
talldayo wrote: post #180

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On top of that, the mindshare of "Googling it" dominates users brains just as much as Kleenex branding does. I'm sure most of us have watched someone use another search engine to look up Google before.

Yeah, I still say "Google it" even though I've been using DDG and more recently Kagi for years - I discovered saying anything else seems to lose people when trying to help them. Even just saying "search for" gives me deer in the headlight responses until I say "search on google".

Have you tried it recently? "Search for" gets me less 'deer in the headlights' looks than "google it", probably because these days most people are searching for things through apps instead of browser. Browsers are quietly becoming a niche technology with wide swaths of the population.

Browse the web as a normie would, without adblocker/etc extensions and other techy web saavy, and it should quickly become apparent why. Telling people to google something is like telling them to wade into a sewer.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by petepete »

shagie wrote: post #491
bdd8f1df777b wrote: post #467

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Even though Apple hasn’t been sued for Apple Maps, they are not safe from such antitrust charges. The antitrust cases move slowly so it’s possible that they just haven’t gotten to there.

Apple Maps is now on the web ( https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/24/24205449/apple-maps-web-b... ) So far, Company + Map hasn't caused any problems with even bigger players and tighter interegration (Google + Google Maps and Microsoft + Nokia ( https://news.microsoft.com/2013/09/03/microsoft-to-acquire-n... )).

> Apple Maps is now on the web

Just tried it and Chrome isn't supported!

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by account42 »

nytesky wrote: post #497
nabla9 wrote: post #121

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> So what's going to happen? Apple might make their own search engine. Apple has a team that's been creating a next-generation search engine codenamed Pegasus under John Giannandrea. They already have search engines for App Store, Maps, Apple TV and News and Spotlight. Apple web search development worked as bargaining chip in pricing negotiations with Google. Google paid them $20 billion per year to not compete as mu…

Search is dead anyways. It’s all SEO nonsense. I would rather have a curated list of validated sights. Like recipes only from actual chefs or publications, news from newspapers and networks, be absolutely sure the address I am looking at is my BANKS website. All the Reddit, twitter, Pinterest, and blog stuff can stay in the Google wasteland and gotcha ad links.

Search is only dead because it's more profitable for Google this way. They don't care that you end up on an SEO farm as long as you are looking at their ads.

I maintain that the point that Google started going down the drain was when they embraced SEO instead of seeing those that try to game the search engine as adversaries.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by account42 »

firesteelrain wrote: post #607
TeMPOraL wrote: post #602

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Oh the irony. You know that: > Like recipes only from actual chefs or publications, news from newspapers and networks are the first-party garbage on the Internet? It's all content marketing written to push ads. Yes, including "recipes only from actual chefs" - chefs have better things to do than to maintain an on-line presence; if you see one, it's most likely a brand where the chef gets paid for the rights to their…

Append reddit to searches is the secret weapon. Use it all the time

Enjoy it while it lasts. Marketers have been wising up to that trick.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by n4r9 »

ffgjgf1 wrote: post #574
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #517

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"I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds." If the decision will not be bad for Google, then why would Google spend so much money and time to defend against it.^1 Why not just stop making the anti-competitive payments and terminate the agreements. Money saved. Problem solved. We can now safely say it is not a defense to claim "Google is the best" and that's why people choose it. Anti-com…

> Why not just stop making the anti-competitive payments and terminate the agreements. Money saved. Problem solved. It’s only solved if nobody does it. If Google stops those payments unilaterally MS would just make a slightly cheaper deal with Apple..

That sounds bad for Google... ?

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by chii »

cletus wrote: post #31

I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

> Most users will probably still use Google

or bing pays to be the default? or apple choose to give some upstart like duckduckgo a chance? Or they produce their own search engine (not that i think they will).

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by melodyogonna »

alvah wrote: post #550
cletus wrote: post #31

I expect this to be bad for everyone except Google if the ruling holds. Why? Mozilla and Apple will lose significant revenue from having Google as the default search engine and Google will no longer have to pay those billions. What's more, no one else can pay to be the default either (eg the short-lived Mozilla Bing deal). So what's going to happen? Most users will probably still use Google, nobody is getting paid an…

"They simply have a better product" I disagree. 100% they had a better product, but they have absolutely mangled it over the last few updates. Honestly, if I wanted the opinion of randomnumbers45123 on Reddit, I'd just search Reddit. Google achieved dominance ~25 years ago by being better than the alternatives, and the other search engines pretty much withered away rapidly. They (Google) are in a very precarious posi…

They're still better than the alternatives

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by blauditore »

theshrike79 wrote: post #606
alvah wrote: post #550

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"They simply have a better product" I disagree. 100% they had a better product, but they have absolutely mangled it over the last few updates. Honestly, if I wanted the opinion of randomnumbers45123 on Reddit, I'd just search Reddit. Google achieved dominance ~25 years ago by being better than the alternatives, and the other search engines pretty much withered away rapidly. They (Google) are in a very precarious posi…

People always _always_ forget that Google today is an ad company first. They do search, phones and mobile operating systems as side projects.

By that logic, any product/organization that generates revenue mainly through ads would be an ad company. Search is the product that (probably) carries most of the ads revenues, so that's the main product, and ads are the means for generating revenue around it.

Re: Google loses antitrust suit over search deals on phones

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Post by smolder »

hot_gril wrote: post #589
alvah wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They simply have a better product" I disagree. 100% they had a better product, but they have absolutely mangled it over the last few updates. Honestly, if I wanted the opinion of randomnumbers45123 on Reddit, I'd just search Reddit. Google achieved dominance ~25 years ago by being better than the alternatives, and the other search engines pretty much withered away rapidly. They (Google) are in a very precarious posi…

This doesn't seem like a disagreement. They still have the best search engine at the moment.

They really don't, though Kagi costs $. Even ignoring that it's a bit unclear, since in many cases DDG or bing give better results.
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