A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

Post by boxed » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 2:51 PM UTC

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Here in Sweden I had to watch a video warning against baby shaking when my wife was pregnant with my first child. After seeing this horrible video, I waited a few hours to tell my wife that this entire thing was total bunk, and we've known it's been bunk for many years. Here in Sweden this child abduction idiocy is upheld by three doctors who all refer to each other as the experts proving baby shaking is real. It's a…

I've been made to watch a similar video here in The Netherlands. It's not bunk though. Violently shaking a baby will lead to trauma which can cause death. What this book is about is that there are other causes that can lead to the same symptoms. The video is right. Shaking a baby leads to AHT. But the reverse isn't. AHT does not mean that the baby has been shaken. There are many other causes for AHT.

Post by emodendroket » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 3:56 PM UTC

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Since having a kid and reading a lot I've been bothered by how clearly a lot of what is labeled as "SIDS" is pretty clearly accidental suffocation. The conclusion is impossible to escape when you begin reading about measures that have "reduced SIDS." Yet I also wonder if continuing to observe this social fiction is just a way of keeping overzealous prosecutors and other crusaders from locking up and treating as depra…

A tiny selection of the relevant literature: [1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/(SICI)1099-0... [2] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1440-1754.... [3] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12024-014-9600-5 [4] https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/143/5/e20183...

Post by conductr » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 5:26 PM UTC

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> I had to put a pet down once and I was crying like a baby so maybe not I relate with much of your comment but this was something I actually considered writing before. The most drastic emotional response I've ever experienced was putting a pet down. I knew it was the right choice, planned it out, to be done at home in the back yard, his favorite place and final resting place, and even made time for one last outing t…

For me it was unexpected, through a series of very unfortunate events my inside cat got into my neighbors yard and the dog attacked it. I took her to emergency surgery, spent about $2k until the vet basically told me there was no point. They put me in a room, wrapped her in a towel, and brought her in for me to spend time with before we put her to sleep. I just remember after they put her in my arms she looked up at…

Post by emodendroket » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 6:06 PM UTC

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Some measures that reportedly reduce “SIDS” include assembling the crib properly and not putting soft objects that could smother the baby in the crib. Risk factors include lower parental educational attainment. You tell me if I’m being unreasonable attributing a death from the crib collapsing to suffocation and not a mysterious, poorly understood disease. When a baby dies in the crib it is rare for much investigation…

I mean, I don't mind, you can attribute whatever to whatever and yeah, a crib full of plush toys doesn't seem like such a smart idea... but the question is what a doctor should do, how we want them to behave in the face of limited evidence.

Post by RoyalHenOil » Thu, Sep 28, 2023, 9:29 PM UTC

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Priors should never, ever factor into it like this. I was a foster child who was taken from my parents wrongly. A third party (not connected to child services) made a false accusation to the cops, who took me and turned me over to child services without any investigation. Even though I insisted nothing had happened and even though child services failed to produce any evidence (beyond aforesaid hearsay) over the cours…

Have you considered suing the third party that made a false accusation? It seems that they’ve caused suffering and irreparable long term harm. This sounds like something that may have a standing. Perhaps you can sue them and either get some material compensation (if they are well to do) put them through a few rounds of trials in another state or something (if they are poor, this will be a good punishment in itself).…