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I'm a middle school teacher in Europe. None of my students use Facebook. They even don't use Whatsapp that much anymore. FB has a big problem.
but they are using instagram no?
More likely Snapchat.
Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
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Gaming is legitimately awesome with these devices. It’s a high effort, high reward experience. Using the Quest on a few of the highly polished and addictive games surpassed even my childhood experience of getting a computer for the first time. As a general purpose computer, I see a hint of what it could be, and I am convinced it’s the future. It has to be. It’s too powerful not to be. Imagine there’s nothing to put o…
>Imagine there’s nothing to put on. The computer doctor sprinkles some magic computer dust over you 7 minutes after you are born and you get Apple Vision++++ levels of ability, all of the time. Everything in the world becomes a potential UI. Every action becomes an input. Every surface a display. I am begging you to consider how this is an awful future
I’m from a world where my myopia was debilitating (minus 10.5 in one eye, -9.5 in the other). Then, someone came an sprinkled magic dust into my eyes through a Laser and bam! 20/20 eyesight in one afternoon.
You could say I was going the other way - from wearing a contraption (specs/contacts) to not wearing one unlike AR/VR where I have to wear something to experience it - but the effect is the same.
I was naturally one way and then, out of nowhere came LASIK to make life better for me.
It’s the same way everywhere. We couldn’t fly and now we have flying tubes. We couldn’t understand movies in foreign languages and now close captions exist.
Personally, I’d like to give that VR/AR magic dust a chance to see if my now 20-20 eyesight can kick up a notch.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#623" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…
Pretty sure Mark was actually counting on it. It doesn't make it a good idea, but Apple tends to set the bar for status symbols. Smartphones existed before the iPhone. PC laptops existed before MacBooks. Portable digital music players existed before iPods. While not always successful, they actually add legitimacy to many of the markets they get into. Time will tell if it happens here; I'm not holding my breath.
>Smartphones existed before the iPhone. PC laptops existed before MacBooks.
You make a good point and I'd like to add to it. What is interesting is that all modern phone design grew out of the designs of the original iPhone and all modern laptops grew out of the design of the original Powerbook. If you scroll down on the second link below you'll see that the Powerbook is the first one that looks like a modern laptop.
https://www.cultofmac.com/145083/what-phones-looked-like-bef...
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#624There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…
One of the most persistently irritating parts of being deep in this space is people loudly proclaiming what it is that VR is truly missing. The answer is not only different for different people, but very different for some of them. It's a way for trans people to express their real gender in a way that seriously alleviates their dysphoria, or for people to explore sexuality in a place they are fully equipped to defend…
The discussion is about massive tech companies investing giant piles of cash into the technology, making the bet it will be the next mainstream platform.
If yourself and some others are having awesome experiences already, no one is doubting or downplaying that.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#625" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…
> " By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself."
> Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too.
I never use my Quest sitting down. I use it as a roomscale device for, e.g., boxing, or playing table tennis or golf with family in other countries.
The Apple device looks great, but if it was the same price as a Quest 3 and I could only buy one, I'd choose the Quest 3, no questions.
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Not saying it didn't exist, but that it wasn't mainstream. Ask your mother if she's ever heard of Symbian phones...
>Ask your mother if she's ever heard of Symbian phones... Ask your mother if she's heard of Variable Valve Timing or the equivalent for her brand of car OR ask her if she knows Linux or... for that matter ask yourself if you know the OS on Nokia 3310? Most mothers don't even know what a OS is. Edit: The OS is called "Series 40".
The difference is we're talking about a product category that has penetrated culture in a meaningful way, rather than tech that is meaningful to people with specialized knowledge.
iPhone was ground zero for the general public consciousness in this space, it made this product category mainstream. It's silly to argue otherwise.
Also variable valve timing was plastered on trunks of cars in the 80s so folks of a certain age should recognize the term, and Linux as a term seems pervasive enough that most people should at least have heard of it; they likely have no idea what those terms actually mean though.
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> Porn. What you're missing is porn. This is correct. With the ability to mimic touch, the VR NSFW avenues are set to explode.
Explode?!? Do you think people who don’t already pay for porn/sexual IOT devices/digital sexual pleasure content will start to enter this emerging market? Do you think the same customer base will drastically increase spending? - I’m genuinely curious and surprised by the confidence.
I'm sure there are millions of people who visit pornhub that would never have visited a pornographic cinema (or whatever they were called).
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#628There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…
>So far at least, this is a tech that is being pushed onto people rather than being pulled. Like anything else in life? How much it took for the Guthenberg press to be "successful". It took at least 50 years since Guthenberg died bankrupted until there were millions of books being printed and people realised what the printing was by the consequences. Guthenberg pushed so hard his entire life. Aviation was not pushed…
> Like anything else in life?
There is a lot of truth in that. Modern consumerist needs have an important push element to them. Creating "wants" is by now very sophisticated social engineering practice with over a century of successful track record.
But the examples you mention mostly bundle other phenomena that I would not include in the typical "consumer push" category. Doggedly pursuing research on various uncertain technologies (typically government founded) is common, but it is not pushing anything onto consumers. Potentially this may happen in the final phases, if/when successful, relevant and mass market commercializable.
Mass market companies typically only enter the game when there is an expected short or (at most) medium term return that will compensate for the investment risk.
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They didn't really live up to the hype, though. It was said that they would replace laptops. While they have their space in the market, sales are in a declining trend, and considerably behind laptops. (I was like you and still am, by the way... I don't find tablets comfortable. I only bought one once, and I think the number of times I actually used it can be counted with both hands).
They surely replaced laptops for artists, digital note taking, journalists, travelling and mobile terminals.
For some people, some of the time.
Many journalists will have their MacBooks prized out of the cold dead hands.
I travel with my laptop and my iPad Pro never leaves the couch.
And how close to most working artists’ realities are those slick Apple keynotes showing sexy young people drawing with their Apple Pencil? I don’t know. Artist is a broad term.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#630There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…
Porn. What you're missing is porn. Or generally, anything that's much better experienced directly than through a screen. Think about virtually hiking Mt Everest, diving the Mariana Trench, walking on Mars, etc. The technology certainly isn't there yet, but I can imagine a future where for a majority of the population, especially those with lower income, VR provides the only affordable* escape from reality. * In a few…
Honestly, at what point will you need regulators to step in? It’s pretty clear that we have a little porn addiction epidemic. And there’s increasing evidence of the harmful effects of porn.
And that’s happening with the current state of porn - often viewed on small phone screens in less than even HD quality.
I can’t imagine what would happen to young people once porn is viewable in a lifelike virtual reality. I can imagine an entire generation of young men dropping out of society altogether (something that’s already happening)