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Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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The neighbor bears the least responsibility by a wide margin which is why despite non-zero involvement they really shouldn't be on the same table for discussion. If I ask an entire hospital system to believe in my crazy theory for Leukemia and that leads to patients getting screwed, the discussion shouldn't have the inclination to focus on how one patient communicated their bad medical theory.

It's not a good comparison: everyone has an ability and authority to get police at your door. Police acting on a report and arriving at your doorstep threateningly is not a pleasant experience. And depending on how much it scares you, police might think you are more suspicious instead of less. This is why false police reports are generally forbidden and can put you, a reporter, in jail. You shouting out a crazy theor…

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Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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My son is expected to walk to and from school without parental support once he starts kindergarten. We don't live in the states.

Switzerland ? One of the places that is somewhat normal...

Middle East.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Police just power tripping as usual. I wonder why they don't name and shame the officers - clearly these are the people doing wrong and should be removed from their positions.

There needs to be some sort of back pressure. A list of things the government can't take from us. Maybe a Bill of Rights? After this is created, let's hope the Supreme Court doesn't legislate from the bench and invent "qualified immunity" where people in government can't trounce on these Rights with zero fear of retribution.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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The neighbor bears the least responsibility by a wide margin which is why despite non-zero involvement they really shouldn't be on the same table for discussion. If I ask an entire hospital system to believe in my crazy theory for Leukemia and that leads to patients getting screwed, the discussion shouldn't have the inclination to focus on how one patient communicated their bad medical theory.

It's not a good comparison: everyone has an ability and authority to get police at your door. Police acting on a report and arriving at your doorstep threateningly is not a pleasant experience. And depending on how much it scares you, police might think you are more suspicious instead of less. This is why false police reports are generally forbidden and can put you, a reporter, in jail. You shouting out a crazy theor…

> Police are obligated to act out on all reports.

The police are not obligated to act out on all reports and they exercise this executive discretion all the time. In this case the police choose to arrest and the DA choose to file charges. Nothing obligates the law enforcement professionals to behave this way — not even a sense of PR as this only stains their image. This train could've been stopped by professionals at every step of the way but instead they choose to power through. The mother pled guilty.

This is not swatting. In the eyes of law enforcement, the neighbor did not engage in false reporting.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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actually this is more than normal in all 3rd world countries. Starting from 6-7 years most kids walk to/from school on their own.

> in all 3rd world countries Not true.

Yes, the poverty stricken parents have all the time in the world to walk their kids around all day. /s

They'd be lucky to even have two live parents and in the picture.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Reminds me of the time my son finally gathered the confidence to take the training wheels off his bike and learn to ride it without them. My wife and I were walking, and he was on his bike, and he was so happy and pumped about his achievement, that he asked to ride farther away, out of our sight. Now, this is a peaceful suburban neighborhood we're talking about, and we're on a stretch between his school and a park ne…

> smile politely all the way to avoid escalating. That attitude, while perhaps more comfortable in some ways, just enables the sort of behaviour you encountered, and apparently disliked, from that woman. A blunt response like, "Fuck off. Don't talk to my son.", followed by walking away from her, may have been harsher and not particularly polite, but perhaps it'd cause a person like her to avoid such meddling in the f…

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Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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It's not a good comparison: everyone has an ability and authority to get police at your door. Police acting on a report and arriving at your doorstep threateningly is not a pleasant experience. And depending on how much it scares you, police might think you are more suspicious instead of less. This is why false police reports are generally forbidden and can put you, a reporter, in jail. You shouting out a crazy theor…

> Police are obligated to act out on all reports. The police are not obligated to act out on all reports and they exercise this executive discretion all the time. In this case the police choose to arrest and the DA choose to file charges. Nothing obligates the law enforcement professionals to behave this way — not even a sense of PR as this only stains their image. This train could've been stopped by professionals at…

They are, at the very least, obligated to show up at the scene: this is what I meant by "acting".

If you are not used to having police at your door, the mere event can be intimidating.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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This is a serious worry of mine. I often let my elementary kids walk home from school by themselves because we live close enough and they have good sense around what little traffic there is. But I always worry that someone will throw a fit about it. I worry about that a LOT more than kidnappers.

Same. I let my kids walk about 0.5mi to the park and I'm more afraid of some nosey busy-body calling CPS on them than I am about traffic or kidnappers. When I was growing up in the 90s, I'd routinely bike many miles away from home and disappear for hours before I came home. Nowadays letting your kids do that is liable to get CPS called on you. How the heck did we end up here?!

>How the heck did we end up here?!

In my view, America as a society became paranoid after 9/11. What you're seeing is a symptom of this. It isn't like this in other countries: kids walk around by themselves all the time.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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My son is expected to walk to and from school without parental support once he starts kindergarten. We don't live in the states.

Switzerland ? One of the places that is somewhat normal...

Very normal in Japan. Kids that age routine take subways around Tokyo by themselves, ride bikes by themselves, etc.

As usual, America is the weird one, perhaps with some other Anglophone nations following suit.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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> A woman one block away had called the cops to report a boy walking outside alone. That lady had actually asked Aiden where he lived, verified that it was just down the street, and proceeded to call nonetheless. I have no problem blaming this behavior. To be clear, it would not be productive to blame only the neighbor.

That woman has no certification or authority to decide whether a child is in danger, and the fact that the kid was a block away from home is not some undeniable indicator that he wasn't. That woman has a civic responsibility to call authorities when she's worried about the welfare of a child. The authorities have a responsibility to be competent. The woman fulfilled her responsibility, the entire justice system faile…

The woman is an authority. It takes a village. Instead of calling the police, the guys with guns whose job is to detain and sometimes kill people, she should have asked the child what's up.

The police are the guard dogs who arrest criminals.

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