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I'd call the police in that situation
So they can take a report?
So they can ignore the call entirely
Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage
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Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage
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You’re aiming to project maximum evil. While emotionally satisfying, it does not usually have good predictive powers. What you should be doing is to predict maximum laziness instead. As in, they will probably only destroy airtags inside a particular luggage when they know that the luggage is already lost and it would be embarrasing for them if its location was known.
But it records last known position. Logically they should put it in some else's luggage that is being picked up, thereby sending you on a wild goose chase.
But that would entail more work.
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They are.
Would that do much for multi path bounces etc?
Depends on the base station. We usually point them down and try to adjust the power output not to "spray" the signal all over the place but rather be focused (and save operator costs), however some stations are set on max power and a lot can bounce away, indeed.
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So inconvenient for them to do what they were contracted to do: fly you and your luggage from A to B. Can’t they just get free money?
Every job, every person, every industry mistakes happen. You can minimise them with better systems but its never going to disappear
Yes. But not every industry gets the benefit of a nationally legislated liability limit on their mistakes.
Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage
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So when has this actually happened? There is a roughly zero percent chance that on any given flight, instructions to disable your phones are followed 100%. So, I think it's reasonable to suggest that literally every commercial flight flown in the past 15-ish years has done so with some device onboard that isn't in airplane mode. Given that - why aren't airplanes constantly falling out of the sky? If this is the situa…
What I meant is that we are not talking about absolutes here. There will be some cell phones turned on, sure, but the less there is, the less likely it is to become a problem. And one of the reasons airplanes are not constantly falling out of the sky is that there are thousands of little rules and safety considerations at every level. Software, hardware, pilot training, ATC, and some of them affect passengers directl…
Funny how people without actual first hand experience with the issue defiantly ignore then attempt to refute every point you made.
A lot of people are ignorant of spectrum allocation, and sideband interference. Twenty years ago I had an old Samsung flip phone (2G/3G). I could tell every time a text came in when I was sitting at my computer, because the speakers would let loose with a tell-tale 'bzzzt bzzzt bzzzt' before the phone could finish handling it and displaying that I had a text. The handshake with the tower would be picked up somewhere in the audio path.
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If a phone can take down airline communications, there is something wrong with the aircraft. These should be properly shielded lines. There are now millions of hours of airline ops with phones on. It doesn’t cause any problems. Also hot tip: the pilots are using iPads the entire flight too. With Bluetooth and wifi often linked to other gadgets.
> These should be properly shielded lines. Hehe, why do you assume the lines are a problem, when the physical comms system ends in a big antenna? Of course modern airliners have wiring that is all “properly” shielded. > It doesn’t cause any problems. Isn’t that a funny response to a pilot’s first hand account that a problem exists?
Exactly. Maybe needs to be cross posted to r/confidentlyincorrect
Re: Lufthansa bans AirTags in checked luggage
#629Earlier quoted context omitted.
What I meant is that we are not talking about absolutes here. There will be some cell phones turned on, sure, but the less there is, the less likely it is to become a problem. And one of the reasons airplanes are not constantly falling out of the sky is that there are thousands of little rules and safety considerations at every level. Software, hardware, pilot training, ATC, and some of them affect passengers directl…
Funny how people without actual first hand experience with the issue defiantly ignore then attempt to refute every point you made. A lot of people are ignorant of spectrum allocation, and sideband interference. Twenty years ago I had an old Samsung flip phone (2G/3G). I could tell every time a text came in when I was sitting at my computer, because the speakers would let loose with a tell-tale 'bzzzt bzzzt bzzzt' bef…
OK so here's my first-hand experience. In the 20+ years that personal cell phones have been commonplace, zero flights have experienced an accident as a result of that cell phone use. The FAA has also walked back the ban on use of personal electronic devices.
I appreciate that you feel strongly about this, but the world has done the experiment millions of times over a couple decades. We do not have to wonder about the outcome, the work was already done. Nothing happened.
So, neither reality nor the current stance of the FAA are in alignment with your assertion. "Funny how people..." indeed.