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Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by seattle_spring »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #269
criddell wrote: post #263

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Who is barred? I’ve travelled to Canada to visit family a number of times last year and once so far this year. I have another trip planned for late spring. Canadian citizens enter by right.

Unvaccinated Canadians older than five who have to quarantine for fourteen days. A 14 day quarantine for an endemic virus just as present in Canada as anywhere else is a de facto prohibition.

Gosh, that's a really tough position to be in. If only there was something they could do to be exempt from the 14 day quarantine. Anything at all.

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Post by ar_turnbull »

honkdaddy wrote: post #613
Naga wrote: post #602

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When was that debunked? The last I heard the police were investigating. I even saw video from it. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/police-arson-unit-probes-otta...

A direct quote from the Ottawa police chief: "We don’t have any direct linkage between the occupation—the demonstrators—and that act." [1] [1] https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=fa5721d6-af8b-48d9-9848-73dcf...

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Post by Naga »

honkdaddy wrote: post #613
Naga wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was that debunked? The last I heard the police were investigating. I even saw video from it. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/police-arson-unit-probes-otta...

A direct quote from the Ottawa police chief: "We don’t have any direct linkage between the occupation—the demonstrators—and that act." [1] [1] https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=fa5721d6-af8b-48d9-9848-73dcf...

Oh, so the 'debunking' is not on whether or not an attempted mass murder/arson occurred, but that there is no "direct linkage" between the occupation and the crime.

What that likely means is that they don't know who the people in the video are. It seems pretty likely to me that it's related to the occupation, especially since there was a 'confrontation' earlier that day with residents of the building. It's not like buildings are burnt down in Ottawa every day.

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Post by hamaluik »

dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

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Post by beerandt »

Apocryphon wrote: post #160
jjulius wrote: post #82

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Not OP (and this shouldn't be considered an endorsement of their donation/views), but it's similar to how someone in Nantucket might've donated to groups protesting police in Minneapolis in summer 2020. It's a cause you believe in and you want those fighting for it to keep going, and you may also want that fight to influence others local to you to get more vocal.

Nantucket and Minneapolis both belong to the same political union. Canada is not yet a constituent member of the United States.

For matters of state jurisdiction, like police power, it's interstate and extraunion.

As opposed to -lets say- issues related to international trade and crossing an international border between two signatories to NAFTA/USMCA.

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Post by ctoth »

RIMR wrote: post #543
dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

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I'm just trying to understand here, you're advocating that people lose their livelihoods for donating to a protest movement you don't approve of? Not participating in illegal action, not physically hurting anyone, just giving money to the wrong people online?

Can you possibly think of any circumstances where this sort of principle might backfire?

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Post by imwillofficial »

ryandrake wrote: post #535
BeefWellington wrote: post #448

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> The most insane was that all layers of government did nothing to stop the noise (truck horns), but it ended when a 21 year old who simply filed a court injunction and the protesters complied. > https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/injunction-ottawa-granted-1 ... This did not work though: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/protesters-violate-cou... The court order is just a threat and the Ottawa Police Service appear…

I think one point that the last two years has nailed home (around the world) is that how protestors are treated has little to do with what their tactics and behavior are, and more to do with simply whether their message ideologically aligns with the police. If the police agree with some group of protestors, then they're treated with kid gloves, and can get away with anything. The police will throw their hands up and…

Things I’ve seen this year.

People who Molotov cocktailed a police van with people inside. Let off with probation.

Police beat an unconscious person until they died. Internal investigation cleared them of wrongdoing.

It definitely matters what the protest is supporting/fighting.

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Post by pessimizer »

j_walter wrote: post #462
purephase wrote: post #447

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I've said this before. There's a strong libertarian bent to HN and I'm not surprised if there's a large contingent of this site that actively supports the convoy. There's people here that are strong supports of Peter Thiel, if that's any indication of where their sympathies lie. But, most of them are not residents of Ottawa, and the lived experiences of people in that city, particurlarly those who have had run ins wi…

>A city is being held hostage by an extreme minority and, even in OPs post they mention that the Toronto police handled it properly, but question the admonition levied against the Ottawa police. >The Ottawa police are complicit in this now as well as city council. They sat on their hands while allowing this to spiral out of control, and now want to play the victim or blame others (e.g. blaming counter protesters toda…

A major difference is that the police would issue dispersal orders, then attack the BLM protesters indiscriminately, or call curfews which basically declared open season on any kind of protester, journalist, civilian, doing anything outdoors after X o'clock. The police were shooting rubber bullets at people sitting on their own porches.

This is not how Ottawa is being handled, this is not how January 6th was handled, and if BLM protesters decided they were going to shut down an international bridge that provided 1/3 of trade with the US, that wouldn't have made it a hour before an extreme response was taken.

If the trucker protest were treated like the BLM protests, you'd see people blinded and dead, and it would be completely torn apart every night to have to be reassembled the next day. At least compare it to Occupy, although they were in a park instead of blocking roads.

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Post by FpUser »

BeefWellington wrote: post #418
Spinnaker_ wrote: post #361

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Former Newfoundland Premier Brian Peckford, one of the men who helped draft our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, is suing the government, claiming that these travel restrictions on Canadian citizens are unconstitutional. It's a pretty remarkable situation to have someone who wrote our constitution pointing out that the government is in error.

The case was doomed before it was filed because the pretense and premise is a bit absurd. Air Travel is not a right on its own and the federal government is freely able to place limits on who is allowed onto an airplane already, for a lot of arbitrary reasons (Canadians or otherwise). Setting that aside, provinces also have a say in how that works and could easily also force isolation on returning travelers and invok…

>"notwithstanding clause"

This thing makes a mockery of Canadian Bill of Rights

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Post by tagoregrtst »

purephase wrote: post #465
tagoregrtst wrote: post #232

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My buddy lives near Hamilton. The stuff his kids are going through is insane.

Yeah, I have 5 nieces and nephews and friends with kids that live and around Hamilton. Tell me what they're going through that's insane. Don't just drop comments like this without backing up your assertions, because it's false. Is it ideal for the kids right now? Fuck no. None of us want this. But to sell the narrative that there's a whole class of parents/teachers/administrators who are not trying their goddamned ha…

My oldest kid been going to in-class school since September 2020 [1]. Maskless since October 2021. She missed, in a year and a half, a total of two or three weeks of school. This is a blessing that my kid has received.

I cant speak of your nieces.

EDIT:

[1] The year is correct, 2020.

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